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" 05OCT08 Open Forum Funeral Chatter "

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Tom: Evening John
Host_John: HI TOM
Host_John: just fixing the greeting
Tom: Okay
Host_John: great weekend here
Tom: Here also
Host_John: all the trees are changing coor
Host_John: color
Host_John: where did you fly this week Tom?
Host_John: How about you sirwilh, how was your week?
Host_John: you are gone off after ice cream
Tom: Suppost to be in Cabo San Lucas Mexico... trip was cancelled
sirwilhelm1: hello tom and john
Host_John: Hello Sir
sirwilhelm1: ooh Mexico Im goin in Nov
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Tom: May have to do with the current financial crisis
Tom: Where in Mexico
sirwilhelm1: playa del carmen
Tom: I'll be in Puerto Vallarte in November
Host_John: what do you guys think of the VP debate
sirwilhelm1: flyin into cancun
Tom: What's that near..
Tom: Okay near Cancun
sirwilhelm1: yep
sirwilhelm1: goin to see the mayan ruins
Tom: I thought Palin did better than I ever thought she would against Biden
sirwilhelm1: it puzzles me why so many people watched the vps
Tom: Who I liked the best was the moderator... great job being a Obama supporter
Host_John: it was not a good challange from anyone
Host_John: both sides came away winners
Tom: To see Palin Fail...
sirwilhelm1: the questions shouldve been more engaging...er provoking
Tom: Didn't happen... at least like they thought
Tom: The moderator saved her by changing the subject everytime she was stumped
Host_John: did you see Saturday Night Live opening last night it was very funny to me
Tom: Seem David Letterman.. very funny also
Host_John: I am voting for her
Tom: seen
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Host_John: No I did not see David Letterman
Tom: Yeah... on her looks right John
Host_John: must be a part of it, but she is down to earth like most of us
Tom: So what's the topic is there one... I would have to go out and back in to see
Host_John: tonight is open forum
Host_John: looking for future topic selections
Host_John: anyone have a suggesting for a future topic
Tom: Bout time we have a politician that is pleasing to the eye and you can actually understand what she says... and she has plenty of middle class experience
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KentDorsey: hey Tom, John, and gang...
Tom: I vote for more Open topics... some of the best discussions I've ever had are from open topics...
Host_John: she is not a boloney thrower
Tom: Hello Kent
Host_John: she doesn't know a lot but nor do I
KentDorsey: is it lovely in Lowell?
Host_John: Hi Kent
Tom: Hey is Boston going to stomp the Angles ? John
propilot1982: tom how is flying in calf
Tom: Angels
Host_John: I think Boston will take it
Tom: Flying is great... weather have been wonderful... best time to fly
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propilot1982: tom what kind of airplane do u fly
Tom: New England Stomped the 49ers today... Your guys are ruling the sports John
Host_John: I am not the sports guy here
Host_John: I show up for the food
Tom: I'm only a sports fan when it gets down to the end... Like now...
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KentDorsey: the food...the donuts are stale here...
KentDorsey: welcome john fs
Tom: Another John... Hi John Fs
John-FS: greetings all
Host_John: I love the pizza
propilot1982: john hi
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KentDorsey: welcome ward
Tom: So,,, who is going to win the election...
hinge-cap: was in Charlotte this weekend
propilot1982: who nows
KentDorsey: john mcdonough, by write in vote...tom..
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KentDorsey: you weren't far away hingecap
KentDorsey: welcome shawn
hinge-cap: Playing golf with a college buddy
shawn: evening everyone
Tom: The politics are going to start getting real dirty...
KentDorsey: great weather for it ward..
Host_John: thanks Kent the food is great in Washington DC
Host_John: Hello Pro
hinge-cap: It was nice
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Host_John: Hey Freddie
KentDorsey: welcome fred
Tom: Hellooooooo Freddie
propilot1982: hi
hinge-cap: Charlotte is a nice place...a lot to do
Fred-RI: howwdyyyyyyy
Tom: Did anyone say they were going to the National
propilot1982: i like fall football and deer hunting
Tom: Nfda convention
Tom: Who's your football team Propilot... Mine is Detroit... poor me
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Tom: How Bout Oj... Justice has finally been served... how stupid is that guy
propilot1982: jets
Tom: Bret and the Jets... they lost today... sorry
Host_John: I am commited to a project here in Lovley Lowell so I will NOT be going anywhere for a while
John-FS: Lions looked sad as usual today
Tom: So did Greenbay.. ha ha
Tom: Don't rub it in...
Tom: I'd be a Rams fan but they moved out on me...
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Tom: Hello Dave
dave_b: hey tom
Host_John: Hi dave
KentDorsey: welcome dave and angel
Host_John: Hi Angel
angel: Good evening
dave_b: hey all what is the topic tonight
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Host_John: LOOKING FOR TOPICs for the Future, any suggestions????
Tom: Open topic.. anything you desire
Host_John: well, open topic is great for maybe a couple of weeks in a row then nobody shows
angel: Dealing with families in conflict
dave_b: how bout getteing Masschusetts to do something about nurse pronouncemsnt and Electronic filing like Nh
Host_John: so a topic is an ingrediante to keep people coming
John-FS: absolutely .... people need a focus
Fred-RI: mass has been " talking" about it for years... we need someone to push it
Fred-RI: the mentalitiy is if it aint broke dont fix it
dave_b: no no just got sisters and counsin working in the system in Massachusetts Payola
Host_John: the state does not embrace technology
Host_John: I don't know how well NH does with the Elec DC
Fred-RI: i hear it works fine
Host_John: we all have family that works for the Government
Host_John: if you dont have suggestions Ill keep making them up from articles I see in the trade magazines and newsletters
Host_John: anyone going to Orlando for NFDA
Host_John: seeing hype for it now
dave_b: John how would would like to get a permit and certs in Lowell for someone who die Pittsfiled Ma?
Host_John: it is a fun convention in Orlando but the good old days are gone
Host_John: Wilbert Partys
Host_John: the Loewen Party
Host_John: there were more partys for our parents generation
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Tom: Hello Sam
Host_John: Hi Sam
S_Moore: Hello Room
exeterrr: A bad convention is when the 60 Minutes crew strolls in with cameras rolling.
S_Moore: what are we discussing
KentDorsey: welcome smoore
Host_John: I enjoy sitting in restaurant with FD's from all over and talking shop
S_Moore: tx Kent
Host_John: 60 minutes is not what it once was
dave_b: Andy Rooney would have a lot to say heheh
Host_John: we all have 500 channels to watch too
KentDorsey: geez, on phone trying to get bagpipers straight, couldn't get on this morn, now have 3 available...
Host_John: they were at cook outs and now home checking answering machines
Host_John: we got a hybrid this week
Host_John: nice toy
Host_John: GMC Yukon
Host_John: runs on electricity in the city under 20 mph, very quiet
dave_b: hey John how bout the Medical examiners takiing bodies right out of caskets and delaying services
Host_John: you have that happen Dave
Host_John: yikes
dave_b: yep
Host_John: why couldn't they wait til after the services?
dave_b: its the state ---- yikes
Host_John: we do tell the ME no
Fred-RI: what state
dave_b: Ma
KentDorsey: best wishes everyone, gone to get bagpipers straight...
Host_John: we decline many of their requests
dave_b: you can do that??? you got cookies
Host_John: demanding we bring remains down to their office immidiatly we tell them nope
dave_b: oh no i refuse to sign contract so they come here
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Host_John: we tell them best we can do is hold remains at the cemetery and bring down after the funeral
Host_John: they usually go along
Tom: Hello Vic
VicS: Hi friends
Host_John: if it is our case we bring at No Charge
S_Moore: hi vic
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Host_John: speeds things up
Fred-RI: hi vics
Host_John: they are requesting less and less
VicS: Good evening all
Host_John: Hi Vic
dave_b: well they are geting more and more intrusive on our end
Host_John: any of you notice changes in caskets
dave_b: i guess i need a "john" lesson
Host_John: differnt material
Host_John: Dave they are flexable
dave_b: such as??
Host_John: the velvet does not feel like velvet
Host_John: the handle ends are plastic
dave_b: spun fiberglas
Host_John: I wonder if the handels are plastic too
dave_b: batesviles or othesr
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Host_John: not using names
dave_b: you get waht u pay for
Host_John: pushing bronze not copper caskets
Host_John: same price as copper
Fred-RI: had a copper sale last week
VicS: I thought I heard the big casket mfgs were moving away from copper
Host_John: I think they are Vic
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dave_b: if you go with a person with initial T as compares with a B then u get what u pay for
VicS: They can produce bronze for about the same price
Host_John: a very popular copper is offered at the same price in bronze, so we take it in bronze
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VicS: I know the unit John. Why not get it in bronze? makes sense to me
dave_b: John if you get a big discount on one manufacturer do you pass it on to consumer of just pad the pockets?
Host_John: we make up according to our cost
angel: Does anybody want to talk about the bailout? They should have given all that money to us American citizens, then watch the trickle up theory.
Host_John: is we save the customer saves
dave_b: my hand is out angel
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angel: Your hand is out but your wallet just got taken
Host_John: it is sad how wallstreet are bigger crooks than the politicians
VicS: Wood caskets sure have been going up in price
angel: You think? I say it's a draw
brud: labor intensive
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dave_b: heheheh u got that lets fire all the politicians they allowed it
angel: Has anyone out there had trouble with tight banksters?
VicS: But one major casket company found a way to produce them less expensive, but they too are climbing
brud: all they did, as have many suppliers, is to not make them out of solid wood. There is a "core" of particle board - or "beaver puke" as a customer told me once
angel: We are one of the few industries that can not have Our jobs exported.
angel: How can you tell that it's the fake wood?
VicS: Ripples in the surface sometimes
brud: if you know where to look - it sticks out like sore thumb
Fred-RI: inspect from the inside, they wont veener both sides
angel: And the interior cloth is cheaper too?
S_Moore: smell the difference when you first open the lid
brud: look under where the "silk" is stapled in, or look under the casket at the bottom of the "sides" of the casket
VicS: Sam....you still sniffin those coffins? Lol
angel: There will always be a family that will find that too--just one
S_Moore: yes..cant smell anything else but the wood and glue dont change
VicS: Angel....i think you must tell a family when it is a veneer.
brud: industry term is to call them "select Hardwood"
angel: Well you certainly can't tell them it's solid.
VicS: Thats right
Host_John: most customers don't ask and buy on looks "I think"
VicS: agreed John
VicS: But, I make it a point to let the family know they can purchase the veneer at one price or the solid at another
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Host_John: we ask the casket company to describe their product and we represent it as they have described it
S_Moore: We had a family bring in a used minimun plastic cremation box this wek
VicS: But wouldn't the family hold you accountable
Host_John: did you use the urn provided Sam?
S_Moore: absolutely. I did put in a fresh plastic bag
VicS: Did they scatter?
Host_John: good choice
S_Moore: no it went into the niche
Host_John: family will bring in their own urn often
dave_b: gotta run folks have a good nite
VicS: Nite dave
Host_John: we tell them we don't know if it will fit all the ashes
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Host_John: we use sand to proove it
S_Moore: we often have urns come in..it was the 1st time I had seen a used minimum
Host_John: we pour sand in their urn, then pour that sand filled urn into a temporary urn most are very surprised
VicS: In Ca if all the cremated remains don't fit in the urn, we must attach another container to the original urn when giving it to the family
S_Moore: Vic I found a box of larger minimums
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Host_John: good way to handle it Vic but I'd rather proove to family the cremated remains wont fit
VicS: But the larger minimums usually don't fit in a niche
S_Moore: Have been working in the storage closet all week. Al has everything
VicS: I like your method John
Host_John: thanks Vic
Host_John: we stay positive on the issue telling them that is beautiful lets check it's size
Host_John: if it fits great if not we work it out at that point
VicS: I like it
VicS: Do you keep one of your displays full of sand?
Host_John: no we have a bag of sand and use it when we need too
VicS: ok
VicS: Ever had anyone scatter at sea off a cruise boat?
Host_John: one woman brought in a light house, it was way too small so she went back to the store and got a dozen of them, she gave one to all in the family and kept the extras for herself
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angel: That could be messy depending upon the direction of wind
Host_John: yes I did that twice vic
POG70: Evening, all
S_Moore: Hello Pog
Host_John: best trick there is to find out how the wind is blowing
VicS: Did you do the scattering John?
Host_John: yes I did
angel: Night Pog
Host_John: here is the trick
POG70: Ran her off?
VicS: Did you get permission from the cruise company?
Host_John: go to breakfast cereial
Host_John: rice crispys
Host_John: I get my bowl
Host_John: and see if the contents blow into the sea
angel: snap crackle pop
Host_John: once I get my location I am all set
Host_John: corn flakes would to the job too
POG70: until the wind shifts
Host_John: boat is traveling at a good clip POG
Host_John: I did not ask cruise line for permission
Host_John: I just did it
VicS: When no one was lookin?
Host_John: I get up very early
VicS: Sneeky John
POG70: Over and done before anyone knew
Host_John: 5:45AM nobody is around
Host_John: yes just as the client wanted
angel: That sounds like an Algebra question, speed of boat, velocity of blowing ashes..
fluidpusher: We had a family charter a boat and scattered into Lake Erie today.
Host_John: both knew I like to cruise and pre planned with me because of that
Host_John: Nice Fluid
Host_John: I suggest the cerial test to anyone doing a public scattering
angel: Nice day for a Lake Erie ride
Host_John: one of my colleagues did a public scattering and they blew back onboard all over the boat
Host_John: bring some rice crispys
VicS: Ouch
fluidpusher: get the broom, sweep up, and try again?
POG70: Holding a wet finger up in the air doesn't work well
Host_John: if that is working for you POG
POG70: it doesn't work
angel: As everyone is choking
VicS: Pet crematories are on the rise
Host_John: the rice crispy is the best I have heard so far
POG70: Never been asked to scatter
Host_John: we do scatterings every summer
fluidpusher: we had a family dump, not scatter, on an existing grave. boy was the cemetery caretaker mad
POG70: Don't offer it, so I guess no one thinks we would do it
fluidpusher: i went out and checked it out, it was just a pile of dust and bone fragments in a heap on the grave.
VicS: The Navy will scatter veterans for free
POG70: gag, fp
fluidpusher: I have sent cremains to the Navy for scattering, very nice service
VicS: Yes, it is very nice
fluidpusher: I told the family that something would have to be done about it
Host_John: what is process Fluid?
angel: So have I, they send a letter to the family with details, very respectful
fluidpusher: I cannot remember the exact process, John, call a certain phone number, fax them a few forms, then mail the cremains to them. They will send a letter to the family when it is completed.
angel: You need to pick the naval base you want to use
Host_John: Vic how do you get Navy to Scatter?
fluidpusher: http://www.navy.mil/navydata/questions/burial.html
Host_John: nice thanks Fluid
POG70: Does the deceased have to have a Naval connection?
angel: They will do it for a Naval veteran
POG70: like burial at sea
angel: I'm not sure of other branches of service
VicS: They tell me that they will hold them until the next navy ship leaves to sea and then ceremonialy scatter them
VicS: I remember delivering them to a Navel Hospital in Long Beach, Ca and they processed it from there. Right Sam?
S_Moore: Shouldnt make a difference Angel
Host_John: good to know I never heard of the Navy scattering cremated remains
VicS: It has been a few years since I did that
S_Moore: Reight now we send them to Sdv
S_Moore: they will also take a navy casket
Host_John: what is Sdv?
POG70: Burial of a casket at sea is restricted to /naval connections, isn't it?
angel: I just never thought to consider them scattering for other service veterans, that would be cool
S_Moore: I think so Pog..not sure
Host_John: Sam what is Svd?
S_Moore: you have to pull out all the bedding and they cut holes in the casket
Host_John: there are casket prep guidelines for burial at sea
POG70: I had one years ago...retired Naval officer...seems that was one of the requiresment, being ex-navy
S_Moore: San Deigo
S_Moore: mis spelled that one
Host_John: OH ok Tx
VicS: You were making it an italian city Lol
S_Moore: east coast you could probably send them thru Boston, or Norfolk
POG70: It has to be strapped, yoo. The Navy doesn't do the drilling and strapping. You have to have that done before delivery to the ship
Fred-RI: newport Ri
S_Moore: right Fred
S_Moore: You might get Squantum to fly it down. (is Squantum still there)
Fred-RI: dont know
POG70: The one I had went out of Norfolk
angel: Same for me Pog
Fred-RI: does the coast guard do scatterings
S_Moore: probably
VicS: Marines?
S_Moore: heck no, we leave them in the field under a spruce tree
angel: semper fi
S_Moore: you could get a pilot to do it
fluidpusher: i am a pilot, trust me, it is tricky business scattering from a plane
Tom: I've never had a problem
S_Moore: When it comes to the military the troops are always willing..you just have to find some one willing to give the order
fluidpusher: Tom, that's because you know how to do it
Tom: Some people that do it on a regular basis build a shout to drop em out
fluidpusher: yep
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Tom: Just be sure to take the medal tag out
fluidpusher: that would hurt if it hit someone
angel: Well, I need to mosey on into the sunset, woops missed that by a few hours. Good night all and have a great week
POG70: Wasn't there a pilot a few years back who had a whole lot piled up that he was supposed to have scattered, but didn't?
VicS: nite angel
S_Moore: nite
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Tom: Might hit a fish in the head and the tree huggers will be after you
VicS: Pog...yes he was in San Francisco area. He went to hide, but when he returned he shot himself. It was a mess
POG70: Too bad
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Host_John: best handle the scattering yourself if you can, this way you know for sure it was done right
VicS: I just don't understand why someone would let the accumulate
propilot1982: San Francisco air port in the flight simulator its nice
POG70: right
Tom: Vierra was his name... had lots of cremain from around here
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VicS: Well....after I am up and going, I will scatter in San Diego. But I need to make some money to buy the boat. Lol
POG70: What happened to the cremains...ever get scattered?
VicS: Yes, thats the name Tom
jsmack5: beckett for the fifth??? hmmm
S_Moore: Vic I have the boat
Host_John: Vic we used to rent a deep sea diving boat it was not expenseive
Tom: His plane wasn't working... and I don't think he was current... just kept putting it off... until... well you know the rest , just got out of hand
Host_John: they know the depths and the currents
POG70: like Brent Marsh kept putting off doing those cremations in Georgia
Tom: You can scatter here in California with a Surf board now
VicS: There ya go Sam
jsmack5: can i bury Napoli at fenway?
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VicS: Time to get going friends. Have a great week
S_Moore: nite
jsmack5: nite vic
Tom: You too Vic nite
Fred-RI: fenway could have a memorial wall with niches, they could make a lot of money,, not sure they need it
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Fred-RI: bye vic
Tom: I need to go also... nite all
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Fred-RI: syonarah tom
jsmack5: Napoli just hit second homer of the night.....
jsmack5: 4-3 Angels
POG70: Does anyone rent out a parlor or chapel to an out-of-town fd for a one-night visitation?
Fred-RI: im off also, niters folks
Host_John: we have done that POG
S_Moore: we do
jsmack5: we do.... but must be a red sox fan...lol
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Host_John: LLL Jsmack
jsmack5: on long island they are hard to find
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Host_John: anyone sellign a lot of burial garments?
S_Moore: no
jsmack5: here and there , John.... had one this week
POG70: It's been decades since anything like that that I know of; then had an inquiry today
Host_John: no where near what we did 10 years ago
S_Moore: havent seen one in 5 years
jsmack5: they have not changed styles since Sam was dating....
POG70: Finally dropped burial garments from our offerings.... nobody bought any for years
jsmack5: sorry Sam
POG70: shame on you js
S_Moore: Why Js? lol
jsmack5: i apologize
POG70: js, Sam may have had a date this week
S_Moore: or this year...
jsmack5: lol pog... just dont tell my wife
POG70: How did you knowq I know your wife?
POG70: ooops
S_Moore: he doesnt have to we are sending a copy of tonite...what was your Zipppp Code
jsmack5: in this case... my zipper code
S_Moore: Right..
S_Moore: I am a bit depressed....my kids asked me today what my funeral plans were......
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jsmack5: and you told them... that you plan to continue doing them...
POG70: Tell them you're ;eaving that up to them, since they will be paying for it
S_Moore: yep
Host_John: Yikes what a question
Host_John: I want lady di style
POG70: It's a fair question
S_Moore: told them im spending it all. that there was just enougs set aside to get me out of the coroners office and they had better save some of their $
jsmack5: dont think that hairdo would look good on you, John
S_Moore: hey I do believe in pre-needs
POG70: Lol, Sam... they just may klet the state do it
S_Moore: they might
Host_John: it can be a spirt de-energizer
S_Moore: my son was in the bank this week and it was robbed
S_Moore: he slugged the robber and got hit in the mouth...guess his life flashed before his eyes
jsmack5: did the man behind the mask look like him?
POG70: Wow!
Host_John: robbers are desperate people but youth is brave
S_Moore: no but the cips got there in time to catch him. guess they were next door at the doughnut shop
Host_John: I chased a bank robber on foot, the cops go the guy
POG70: Did the bad guy get away?
Host_John: I was 24 it was dumb
jsmack5: ellsbury on 2nd... Pedroia up
S_Moore: they got him Pog
S_Moore: It made me turn cold when he told me
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jsmack5: i luv pedroia...... good ballplayer
POG70: read about a bank robbery in Nyc (I think) Guy walked into bank and shouted "holdup!" Allthat could be heard was leather slapping...the pklace was full of Fbi agents who had just been paid at their office across the street
Host_John: do any of you have any suggestions for future chat topics????
POG70: Funeral flowers
Host_John: good one POG
S_Moore: good one
jsmack5: Ceu's
S_Moore: think of ways to sell and transport them
POG70: Right, Sam
propilot1982: how too save gas on funerals
jsmack5: what is expected of newly licensed directors?
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Host_John: great suggestions thanks
propilot1982: on pets cemeterys
jsmack5: suggestions????? i was asking questions??!!??? lol
S_Moore: maybe we could have 2 topics one at the beginning then after open chat
POG70: Preneed sales...by fd only or by anyone?
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propilot1982: getting jobs in a fh
jsmack5: should redsox change lineup??
Host_John: sure we could Sam
POG70: Sam knows my attention span is short so I need more than one topic to stay awake
POG70: What;s a redsox?
propilot1982: topic about pet cemeterys in the us
jsmack5: what is a redsox????
S_Moore: you wear red sox at christmas Pog
jsmack5: gnite all... gottta concentrate on baseball
S_Moore: and green sox on st. patrics day
POG70: Oh, yeah....that's right Sam
S_Moore: see you do remember
POG70: White sox the rest of the year
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S_Moore: yes with blue suits
POG70: except July...no sox then
POG70: Leading lawyer in Knoxville...millionaire...wears no sox
S_Moore: cheap
POG70: He an wife just buit 3 million dollar home with what he saved not wearing sox
S_Moore: yep
S_Moore: sox are expensive
POG70: Yeah, some are a dollar or more a pair
S_Moore: I want you all to know I helped build my new wood fence last week...using one hand to drill the screws in
S_Moore: dang nie killed me
POG70: Why didn't you use a screw driver?
S_Moore: electric redwood
S_Moore: sorry, u got me there
Host_John: battery powered drill is great tool
S_Moore: just wonderful. cant wait to use a nail gun
POG70:
Host_John: we utilized one to open casket with a long key it also helped raise the beds up at shows
POG70: Watch where you point the nail gun
S_Moore: we use omne to lower caskets and vaults into the ground
Host_John: how does that work Sam?
S_Moore: bite all it is dark and the cats want dinner have a great week
POG70: bitr sll?
S_Moore: it replaces a hand crank John
Host_John: Understood Sam
Host_John: thanks
POG70: mitr Sam
POG70: I cant type
POG70: nite sam
POG70: got it
S_Moore: Well I can read it ..so i guess that is all that matters Pog..nite all
POG70: I'm heading in, too see y'all next week
S_Moore has left.
POG70 has left.
Host_John: well folks time to head out, thanks for coming have a great week we will see you next time