15FEB09 Caskets American Foreign Made and Rental ©
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RonHast: Hello John....
Host_John: Hi Ron
RonHast: Ice there? Rain here!
Host_John: Getting back to rentals as long as you disclose you are selling a rental I think it would be ok if it is legal in your state
Host_John: we have meling weekend here Ron
hrbeckham: when I first entered the buriness, I worked for a corp that had a rental burial casket. it was set up so that once on the device at the cemetery, the bottom could be lowered into the vault,it was like a tray, and the shell would go back for reuse.
hrbeckham: It did not go over well with the families
Host_John: Cool Idea Howard, never seen one of those in operation
hrbeckham: did not sell well and was eventially discontinued
RonHast: Rental caskets are an excellent tool. In Calif., the outer shell is rented, and an inner cardboard or lite wood casket with the interior upholstery attached to it. You cannot tell it from a standard casket.
hrbeckham: Cool Rain in Ne Florida
Host_John: putting it back in the hearse wold be the difficult part I would think to on lookers
RonHast: For burial or cremation, the inner casket is removed, upholstery folded in, and delivered to cemetery or crematory.
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Host_John: Any one here get wooden caskets from Mexico?
hrbeckham: Buried a combo case once
RonHast: John, a rental casket is just like any other casket, it just has an inner casket that is removed easily, and a new "inner unit" is put in place for the next rental. It rolls in and out of a hearse perfectly, and has no indication of an odd appearance.
hrbeckham: Most of thewooden caskets we get from a major manufacture are from Mexico
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Host_John: Earlier our colleagues said burial of the casket at a reduced price was givin
RonHast: The reason some states are strict about reusing caskets, is because some fine caskets were used for visitation or funeral, then in private the body was removed and placed in cardboard for cremation, and the casket returned to inventory.
trsbcmi: The rental casket has saved many funerals. It's a happy medium when the decedent demanded cremation and the family wanted a viewing and funeral.
Dan_Phillips: had a casket come in from Domican Rebplic back in 70's , excellant qualitybut smaller than standard, beautiful finish
Host_John: I suggested as lon as there is disclosure that the casket has been used many times and the state allows it the casket could be sold
RonHast: In Calif. it is a serious issue if anyone is observed reusing a regular casket. It mus be destroyed with photos if a body is ever removed from it.
wjaehnig1: we wouldn't sell ours. we would give it to the family
RonHast: Probably a state ruling -- but it is a wise law. It's so easy for someone to switch and resell at a high price, and it has been done. Now, employees know it is a big fine and problem, so no one here dares do it.
fluidpusher: when we decide the rental has been rented enough and it is time to get rid of it, we just cremate it.
hrbeckham: we have take our rentals to the church several times
Host_John: we cremate it when it's use is decided to be seasoned out
Host_John: Casket size
RonHast: Many funeral directors now find that offering a rental for visitation and ultimate cremation is more profitable, and more satisfying to a family.
fluidpusher: the rental produces good revenue, we have a couple cremation caskets priced below the price of the rental, and the rental is still our most used cremation unit
RonHast: Better margin on a rental than the lower end simplicity units.
hrbeckham: some ethnic funeral homes are using metal rentals they don't look bad at all
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RonHast: Amen fluid.
Host_John: I see some canadian woods look to be 20 or 30% smaller than the american caskets, was wondering about the Mexican made woods?
RonHast: New York and other states have limited room in graves and mausoleums. So some are manufactured to fit accordingly.
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fluidpusher: Rent the rental two to three times, and your cost is recovered, and subsequent rentals are good revenue producers
RonHast: Workmanship from Mexico seems to be a constant challenge.
hrbeckham: we select our rental caskets from a company that can support it
trsbcmi: I see no need for foreign caskets. I prefer to keep the money here in the U
fluidpusher: any of you offer a Choice of rental units?
RonHast: Do the "inserts" come fully upholstered, then fit in the rental unit, and close like a conventional casket?
david1990: the cloth on our rental is velcro
Dan_Phillips: i have to agree with trsbcmi!
RonHast: Most use a very nice wood rental casket. Seems sensible if cremating or burying.
david1990: it velcros between the insert and the actual wall
fluidpusher: david, that is how ours works, too
RonHast: Yes...velcro is often utilized for fit and finish. But the casket when open for presentation looks just like any other traditional casket.
hrbeckham: rental liners feature interiors that are replacable with each one
fluidpusher: People just like the idea of renting for a viewing/cremation
RonHast: Sensible -- and they aren't purchasing a high cost casket that will be cremated.
fluidpusher: It makes sense
paquelet: we offer an oak and cherry for rent. Now considering an oversize for rental. Any one have experience with an oversize rental?
Host_John: the rental is the obivious choice when the view is for cremation
hrbeckham: allows for a traditional presentation for services especially if it is followed by cremation
Host_John: OPEN FORUM FUNERAL CHATTER UNTIL THE TOP OF THE HOUR
daveb: oh dear rental units-------- my bride used to work at Allied containet back in the 70's she brought to me the idea about rental idea--- i poo poed it because the state disallowed it---- i did not follow through with patent and now ---- I loose -- i am not allowed to discuss it with my bride --- t
fluidpusher: If oversize is needed, we usually suggest an oversize cloth covered, priced the same as the rental unit
fluidpusher: but purchased
RonHast: daveb......don't worry, patents are very easily upstaged. You didn't lose anything.
hrbeckham: there are oversided rentals now on the market
daveb: whew thanks
fluidpusher: also rentals with adjustable beds, the original ones did not
paquelet: what company offers an ov size rental?
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RonHast: When I created the Casket Airtray, I purpousely did not patent it because I wanted everyone to copy it. So no one had any issue about making it in their region.
daveb: awesome
wjaehnig1: yes Ron, but if someone else patented it, you wouldn't have been able to use it
fluidpusher: gotta go right now, I'll check in a bit later to see if you all are still here
brud: paq - I would bet that any of your suppliers could order you an oversize rental if you asked for a price
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brud: good point wjaehnig
hrbeckham: brb
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RonHast: Not true. Primarily, you can't patent a box, even though there are exceptions. So we went 40 years making bundles of them with no one trying to outsmart us.
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wjaehnig1: you got lucky
RonHast: Why should someone in Florida have to pay a royalty to get such a product from Calif, then transport it there, then send a body back to Calif. As it was, it secured thedesign and no one had to try and be tricky with another angle.
RonHast: And it still is the same (primarily) today.
wjaehnig1: ma bell didn't trade mark the "let your fingers do the walking" logo and a guy trademarked and made ma bell remove it
wjaehnig1: Ron, that is why you patent something to make others pay for your idea
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RonHast: That's a trademark. That's different from a patent. I owned the name "casket Airtray" for 17 years.
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RonHast: But again, why not let everyone use it and it became generic.
wjaehnig1: Patent law is very strong with any u.s. company
wjaehnig1: you could have made a dollar on everyone of them
RonHast: Have it your way. It worked quite fine for me. We produced them for 40 years (since 1960) without a hitch.
wjaehnig1: All i'm saying is it isn't easy to go around a patent if you are a us company
RonHast: Not really wj, everyone fights for another angle.
wjaehnig1: Have you ever Patented anything?
RonHast: Whatever. If I had it to do over again, I'd do it again. I didn't get "poor" from it......:-)
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RonHast: Have had no reason to.
RonHast: I do own some name copyrights....but that's no big thing.
wjaehnig1: Well than you probably shouldn't tell others they don't need a patent
RonHast: And after 17 years the patent is open. We went 40 with it.
wjaehnig1: 20 actually
RonHast: There are no secrets.
wjaehnig1: no, but it gives you protection
RonHast: That's your choice. Go for it.
wjaehnig1: i have and i will again
wjaehnig1: it needs to be a business decision, if you don't think you can make enough off of it, then don't spend the money
wjaehnig1: if you think someone else will patent and it and take away income, then you might want to consider it.
Dan_Phillips: This has a lot ot do with import caskets.
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wjaehnig1: yes, and the companies that are importing knock offs are the ones that will be in U.s. court, not the chinese manufacturer
RonHast: True. Like in Matthew's case, where China copied everything down to "flaws" in the castings, there may be a problem. But all they have to do is make a few changes that no one in the world would know, and they are clear to go.
wjaehnig1: yes, but they will make the importer pay Matthews for all that were sold here.
RonHast: We will see. Maybe so, maybe not.
richardtetrick: Actually the court case had more to do with putting the name York on the caskets, using the York names and nomenclature, and York pictures. Expect the Chinese and U S distributors have got around those problems.
wjaehnig1: they haven't
richardtetrick: they havent what?
RonHast: In the long run, that stuff is incidental. A few changes and they are back running.
wjaehnig1: the big casket company has many investigations for lawsuits going on
hrbeckham: were chinese puting the York name on caskets?
richardtetrick: No, a Texas distributor put the name york on the caskets, that is about it.
RonHast: So they do. No, hrb, I don't think so, but they were clearly "knockoffs" so they didn't have to pay for the tooling to make variable corners, etc.
hrbeckham: does anyone just use one casket manufacture?
wjaehnig1: They can sell something else, however, they are making identical units and you can't do that. The largest company went after any and all u.s. casket companies that got close to their products
Host_John: PLEASE DO NOT USE COMPANY NAMES
Host_John: THANKS
hrbeckham: welcome
richardtetrick: You cannot say a casket is identical just by the appearance, you have to look a the bottoms, the inside, the hinges, etc. The Chinese products are not exactly like some of the U S caskets.
wjaehnig1: you can't make a car that looks like a mustang and has different interior
Host_John: most of the companies do make a dandy look a like casket
wjaehnig1: you have still stolen intellectual property
Host_John: you can change the design minimally and it is fine
RonHast: It certainly doesn't matter to the public. But just like anything else, jackets, clothes, etc., you can't reproduce a brand name and make it in China and sell it to the U.s. They will confiscate it.
Host_John: look at the japanese making look a like german cars
wjaehnig1: the design has to be different enough that a jury doesn't think its stolen
richardtetrick: You need to toak to some furniture manufacturers, those guys copy all of the time, that is how the Chinese business was started, by some U S furniture guys.
McDougald: copy or smopy who cares? It is a small issue. Why do American (mexican) made veneer caskets cost hundred of dollars more than other veneer caskets whereas with the Chinese casket the difference is only $10 to $20
Host_John: agreed drop the brand name but you an make a look alike casket no problem
hrbeckham: I have heard of some companies delivering the knockoff when the preneed origional is still in manufacture
hrbeckham: especially with the "primrose" designs
wjaehnig1: i've seen that Howard
RonHast: Furniture! Perfect example! China has overwhelmed the Carolinas --
Host_John: =========================
wjaehnig1: again, you can't sue china or a company in china, you must sue the importer
McDougald: North Carolina was once the furniture capital. No more
hrbeckham: what a same there.....looks like the Carolina made table & chairs...mde from some foreign wood in Asia
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richardtetrick: American/mexican veneer caskets are more profitable than sold woods, much more profitable.
McDougald: Broyhill, etc. still are on the furniture, but guess where it is made!
Host_John: we do have to watch caskets closely for sharper edges
Sam_Moore: Hello All
Host_John: again Please DO NOT use company names
Host_John: Hello Sam
hrbeckham: howdy Sam
wjaehnig1: i have no idea if the furniture industry trademarked, patented, or had copyrights on anything. I don the largest casket company here has something on everything they make
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Host_John: I thought the design could be copywrighted?
McDougald: Richard, a mahogan chinese veneer is only $20 more than an oak veneer. Why? Yest with an "american" casket it will be hundred more
wjaehnig1: yes, but a company that owns the product can make it anywhere they with
RonHast: Sometime soon our conversation might be about "any" caskets being used. As we follow europe and asia, caskets are incidental to the death care process.
McDougald: Amen, Ron
RonHast: Incidental being utilitarian -- they still use a very suitable cumbustible casket. But essentially no metals or hardwoods.
richardtetrick: I think we all know why a Chinese veneer mahogany, or any other wood product is hundreds less, try over a thousand less than similar veneers. The public doe snot care, they care about the service we offer. Have you ever had a familyu put on a followup survey that they thought the casket was wonder
hrbeckham: there might be a day when they are all rentals Ron?
Host_John: Last summer I toured England and the FD's I met wanted to know our secret to selling funerals
RonHast: And with all of that, their american dollar averages for Services are much higher than the U.s.
brud: Amen richard - I've been saying that for years
hrbeckham: clarify Ron, please
RonHast: Clarify what?
brud: my father built caskets for 20+ years, he'd go to a funeral and not be able to tell me anything about the casket (not even if it was a wood or metal). But, he remembered the body looked good
Host_John: Good point Richard, we know a veneer will come apart under quicker but the buyers want the eye candy at the lower price
richardtetrick: Caskets are commodities, nothing more. We have all been brainwashed to believe that the casket is so important. It is strictly a vehicle to hold the body. We sell our caskets at less than the wholesale cost of U S manugacturers.
Dan_Phillips: I agree with Richard, the emphasis should be on proper embalming and service. people come to see the family and body, not the casket.
hrbeckham: The dollar average
hrbeckham: higher in Europe?
RonHast: John, hate to disagree. But vaneer is very strong and long lasting. It is not a second class method of building, In fact, it won't warp or have problems like solid hardwoods.
Host_John: Underground it has pealed in my experiance
brud: It was mentioned earlier about a family pre-arranging a "name brand" casket, but perhaps receiving a lower-cost look-alike at the time of need. How many funeral homes show the full solid cherry with spool corners, but lay the body out in the veneer-sided look alike (made by the same company) and po
RonHast: Dollar average was about $19,000 (american) in Japan when I first started to visit. It is now less than $10,000, as the younger generations will not buy in to the former formalities.
McDougald: Aseasily assure everyone that veneer has some advantages over dolid woods as woodworker, I can
richardtetrick: Ron is correct. It does not move. Take a veneered casket and a sold wood casket out of a mausoleum. The veneer does not change, the solid moves.
hrbeckham: Enginered woods are usually designed to have advantages over solid woods
hrbeckham: brb
Host_John: Disclosure it key here, as long as you tell the family what they are getting.
Host_John: this casket was made in China and is a Vaneer wood
RonHast: They now have a steady growing element of direct cremations. The younger groups just avoid it all. I recently hosted many of them here, trying to determine how they would embrace direct cremation services effectively.
Host_John: how can you say for sure that it is mahogany cherry or a hardwood vaneer
McDougald: As a woodworker, I can assure everyone that veneer has some distinct advantages over solid woods ( sorry for the first mistake, my granddaughter is with me)
richardtetrick: Do we tell families this casket was made in canada or mexico, or the Us?
brud: do they care?
RonHast: You can't. The untrained eye cannot notice the difference.
brud: they chose you for your services not for the brand or color of the caskets you sell
Host_John: we do tell familys when the casket is made elsewhere than the USA
Host_John: we brag that some are made in Massachusetts
Host_John: they do care
RonHast: And when you can buy a beautifully made veneer casket (rounded corners, swing, faux velvet) in china for under $300, it makes you stop and think -- plus, of course, transportation.
richardtetrick: We do not. Do the people in the clothing store tell you where the clothing was made. Do the florist tell the family the flowers tha will be on the casket were most likely grown someplace else besides the Usa
Sam_Moore: some do care..a local mortary had a family walk because the caskets were all made in china..this Was Not Our Mortuary
RonHast: John: Do they tell you in Costco which of their merchandise is made in places other than the U.s.?
Tom: It usually says on the mechandise where it was made
richardtetrick: It has to say on the merchandise where it was made, must be visible to the consumer.
RonHast: I think we're splitting hairs here. We are all passionate about quality in death care. But let's be reasonable. Other items we buy we look at and whether it is made in indonesia, mexico or Italy (think clothing) -- and that's the Top End, we buy it.
Tom: Does that go for caskets also... ? where they are made must be visible
brud: I dread the day when I have to bury a parent, but I won't care where the casket came from other than I have certain manufacturers I don't like and certain funeral homes that won't be called either. Chinese - Canadian - Mexican - Japanese - just give me the quality I expect
McDougald: Let's see, the tree was grown in Ohio, the wood was cured in Pennsylvania, partially asembled in Massachusetts, and final assmebly in North Carolina. Do any of y'all tell the consume that?
richardtetrick: Must say on the casket where it was made. The Chinese affix a Made in China on the foot end of hte casket.
Host_John: With neighbors looking for jobs, American made does have a value
Tom: Nice point Mcdougald
brud: My uncle bought a Ford truck because it was an American name - but was made in Brazil. He wouldn't buy the Volvo truck because it was a foreign name - but made in North Carolina.l
RonHast: Right on Beacham. Let's not get so anal about this subject that we lose track of things that really matter!
RonHast: Amen Brud. Enouth already!!!!
Host_John: No I tell the consumer this casket is make in Massachusetts when it is
RonHast: Enough (sorry)
richardtetrick: One of the interesting things about Oak caskets coming from China is the fact that the Oak that is used in Chinese caskets is imported from the Usa.
RonHast: John, does it really matter, Honestly?
Host_John: when it is made in Canada I tell them it is made in Canada
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brud: And probably that would only mean something to Massachusetts funeral homes to know a casket was made in the home state.
Tom: I guess the point is that the consumer puts his trust in the F/d so if he trust the F/d they expect a good quality casket bottom line
Host_John: Like it or not Ron it does to some
RonHast: So, that's nice. Again, does it matter? Some of the finest wood caskets are made in Canada. Again, so what?
Host_John: Again it does matter
Host_John: to some it matters that a neighbor has a job
McDougald: North Carolina was once our largest state in textile mfg. Today, little remains of the industry. Does anyone wear American made shirts and pants?
Tom: I know Mahogoney is not from the U.s.a.... can't be grown here
RonHast: If that is so, so be it. But I wouldn't waste time on the subject for most of us that it really doesn't matter unless someone even bothers to bring it up. Do you want to know where everything you buy at Costco is made?
brud: A family picks a funeral home for the service that they expect to receive - either they have personally observed it in attending wakes/funerals, or they have talked with friends and heard about the friend's funeral experiences
McDougald: Brud, you hit the nail on the head
brud: I want to know what the price is of the items I buy at Costco - am I getting a good deal?
RonHast: Amen Beacham.
brud: where it is made is 99.9% of the time irrelevant
RonHast: Again, amen brud.
Host_John: so you are telling me it is not important to tell your family where their casket was made?
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brud: yup
McDougald: Nope
richardtetrick: have you always told familes where caskets were made?
RonHast: No sir. Unless they ask. Why bother them with details that may not be of concern to them. Stay on the issues that they ask about.
Host_John: since casket are still made here in Massachusetts, I do tell familys where a casket is made
Tom: John,,, must you disclose where the casket is made if the family doesn't ask ?
brud: service the pants off them - take care of their individual needs
RonHast: John, if that is important to You, then I guess you should tell them. I think you'd find out that most don't care, but you can do anything you want in your funeral home as long as it's legal.
McDougald: John-boy, what you are telling them give them a sense of pirde. No pproblem with that
Host_John: No law that regulates us telling them where the casket is made Tom
Tom: John,,, do they make any Mahogoney caskets in Mass.
brud: the service you give to a family will insure that you will stay in business because you take care of your customers - not whether you buy Chinese or American
Host_John: Yes they do
Host_John: cherry ones too
McDougald: John-boy, do they grow the mahogany in Mass?
Tom: Because the Mahogoney is from out of the country... so it was only assembled in Mass.
Host_John: I dont think the wood is grown in Massachusetts for Mahogany's
Host_John: much of the hardwood comes from Massachusetts
Tom: No Mahogoney grown in the Usa
brud: Poplar comes out of the Carolina's, not the northeast
Dan_Phillips: I have listened to several different opinions about import caskets, but what about the American worker, can we allow many more imports of any kind come in and still have jobs?
richardtetrick: The imported caskets, with their lower prices, will help each of us to afford to provide to families the service they demand. They will not have to pay as much, but will receive wonderful service without breaking their bank.
RonHast: John, I know you are a genuine patriot, and a fine man. But I think you must begin to realize that we all buy all kinds of items other than made here -- and often made better. Think Lexus, Toyota, Honda, Acura, and on and on...
Host_John: Tom in Embalming school I was told that Africa exported our best mahogany, we did have some mahogany that came from Phillipines
brud: American companies need to find ways to reduce their operating costs so they can compete with foreign casket manufacturers
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brud: Organized labor in many ways has hurt American manufacturing and made it easy for foreign companies to come to our shores and compete
Host_John: Ron I think Caddillac, Cheveolet, Lincoln and Chrysler
RonHast: And what does that matter John? We bury the caskets and they warp or come apart in the heat of an outdoor mausoleum, or in the water of a grave. What does it matter?
Tom: Hello Tom F
RonHast: John, do you read consumer reports?
Host_John: All I am suggesting is we keep america working
Host_John: disclose where the casket is made
RonHast: Cadillac Suv's are of the most unreliable of american made cars. And I didn't come up with that. But it is true.
Tom: I think it looks good to have American made funeral vehicles in the procession
Host_John: Ron the Excalade is the best SUV I ever drove
brud: My wife's 12 year old Lexus still looks and runs awesome
Host_John: Brud she should have a newer car?
McDougald: John-boy, I totally agree. Now if we can just stop those foreigners from making testiles and furniture we can put 750,000 jobs back in North Carolina.
RonHast: That's o.k. But I think we need to be much more sensitive to service than products......and casket are declining rapidly.
Host_John: I like to keep america working
brud: why a newer car?
Host_John: my preference
RonHast: John, if that's your passion, o.k. But does it matter to a grieving family when maybe a big difference in cost of a similar casket is much more important to them?
Host_John: Not my passion just the way I am Ron
Tom: Your the reason the banks are in trouble Brud... they need your interest money
Host_John: when your job just got outsoursed to India, it does matter
brud: you'll have to bail them out for me
Tom: I'm letting O'bummer do that
McDougald: John-boy, you are in the minority. If not 750,000 North Carolinians would still have jobs
brud: O'bummer for sure
RonHast: And I respect you for that. But I think you are missing the point by not recognizing that everything we wear and do and buy somehow, comes from a world economy, not a U.s. economy.
hrbeckham: no doubt, there will be a great deal changing in what we do in the next 5 to 10 years
brud: trouble is - O'bummer is paying for that stimulus out of my paycheck
Host_John: +++++++++++++++++++++++++
RonHast: Amen Beacham -- and with that I'm off to the kitchen. Thanks for the lively chat!!! Cordially, RonRonHast has left.
hrbeckham: thanks for dropping in Ron
Sam_Moore: Are your mortuaries laying off staff?
McDougald: I've gotta run,lizi just fell on the floor and is crying
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Tom: Is your laying off Sam
Sam_Moore: couple of them have
richardtetrick: Gotta go guys, early meeting tomorrow.
Sam_Moore: I asked to be laid-off and they said go back to work
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Tom: nite
hrbeckham: I wonder if cremation prices will have a huge increase in order to offset the decline in burials?
Sam_Moore: o think so hr
Host_John: Just my way, we offer all casket companys who call on us, but we do disclose where they are made and often it makes a difference
Sam_Moore: I
Host_John: Laying off not here Sam
hrbeckham: all these global warming eco folks will really start to push against burials
Dan_Phillips: this has been very interesting, buut not very informative! good night!
Sam_Moore: I think it has hit the west coast
Host_John: Howard cremation is a choice for many, if the family wants burial they find the resourses to have a burial
hrbeckham: come back again Dan
Tom: Wow... wonder how we can be more informative
MTMartin: For the people whoo can afford the origin of manufacture the place of origin means something. For the family who cannot afford the product they do not care where it is made as long as they find a way to buy it.
Dan_Phillips: thanks!
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hrbeckham: we discuss things all the time, u ought to ge Ce units for being here
brud: we should get some of the Chinese manufacturers to join in on the conversation
Host_John: Perhaps Dan should have made more input
Host_John: the rentals are interesting
MTMartin: If you cannot getthe makers how about the sellers of the Chinese caskets (dollar store caskets)
wjaehnig1: yeah, brud, they don't speak english
wjaehnig1: lol
Host_John: I don't think we have had a family pick a casket other than the rental for cremation in a long time like a year or so
hrbeckham: their distributors do
brud: I'm surprised that they couldn't speak English
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Host_John: techonlogy will take care of translation soon
wjaehnig1: none that I have met can speak english
hrbeckham: John are you saying almost all your cremations pick a service w/ a rental casket?
Host_John: to speak in English and have it electronically translated on the other end to another language is being worked on
brud: there are websites now that translate multiple languages
hrbeckham: yes
wjaehnig1: thats good john, I will finally be able to get online support for my computer
hrbeckham: lol
Host_John: our funeral home site translates to a few languages now
Host_John: the USA is very multi lingual
brud: do you show caskets on your website?
wjaehnig1: thats for sure john
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Host_John: No caskets on our site
hrbeckham: bed time for me here Good night all....god Bless you, and I hope the United State of America as well...........may we never become the Socialist States of America.
Host_John: the most popular page is the webcams
Host_John: Night Howard
wjaehnig1: night howard
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brud: cya all next week
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Host_John: OPEN FORUM FUNERAL CHATTER UNTIL NEXT TIME