29MAR09 Food in the Funeral Home / Mortuary? ©
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Host_John: Welcome folks
Host_John: hope all is well on your end
EMBALM61: Good evening everyone...john this is Patty.. how r you?
Ray_V.: As well as it can be for the father of three, teenage daughters.....
Host_John: hello Patty how are you doing
Host_John: all wanting the keys to daddys car
EMBALM61: wonderful John.. long time no see
Host_John: where are you now ?
EMBALM61: still in Locust Grove Ga
Host_John: Same Firm?
EMBALM61: I graduated from Gupton Jones and passed National board
Host_John: good for you
Host_John: nice to have that behind you
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Host_John: we have a student finishing up now
Ray_V.: No John, Daddy drives a Ford pickup truck...they got nice cars...
Host_John: she is very good
Host_John: they have a good daddy
EMBALM61: yeah .. tell me about it...i had to stop school for a while then went back
Host_John: well it is almost behind you now Pat
pafuneralguy: hello all, very interested in topic as not legal here in Pa
Host_John: Not legal in MA either
Host_John: however family can bring food
Host_John: the clean up is not as hard as one would think
Host_John: we try not to allow anything but water in the visitation room
pafuneralguy: our rules say " no food may be served " and is Not clear on who may or may not serve it, we do not permit any food in our buildings
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Ray_V.: No rules in Sc...we bake cookies just off the main lobby anytime we know people will be there. The aroma is incredible and the kids love them We have coffee, tea and Hot Chocolate too
Host_John: food does bring up the spirit of the visatation
Host_John: we see a lot of donuts and coffee
EMBALM61: the funeral home i'm gonna work for is expanding the building which is already huge to allow families to bring food and drinks
Host_John: some bring in snacks of all kinds
Host_John: and plenty of soft drinks too
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pafuneralguy: I am building a reception hall on the rear of one of my properties to avoid the problems and help families
Ray_V.: Occasionally, we have wine and cheese for visitations also. Depends on the background. We serve a very diverse community
hrbeckham: Good evening all
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EMBALM61: i don't know about alcohol..
pafuneralguy: Wine ??? I would never serve alcahol
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EMBALM61: good evening Hr
Host_John: Alcohol does bring up liability
EMBALM61: absolutely
Ray_V.: Correction, we don't serve it, families bring it in.
pafuneralguy: and spirits....lol
hrbeckham: I am still experimenting with the refreshment idea
pafuneralguy: your property though, if you let them you may have exposure
Host_John: we have not seen Alcohol yet, I think we would ask the providor to take it home
EMBALM61: a lil too much too drink and folks can turn wild
hrbeckham: down here in the South, many churches offer their hall and services for after the service receptions
EMBALM61: where in thesouth?
Host_John: often with straight through visitations family will take a food break for an hour in the funeralhome
pafuneralguy: we have served coffee and soft drinks for many years
rick: my question is--why serve food at all? they're only there for a couple hrs. after all--we are a mortuaryy, not a restaurant.
Ray_V.: True, but you have to look at each situation. You can bee so careful that you never expose yourself, but you don't get anything done either. For the few times it happens, I assume the risk.
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Host_John: Rick at family gathering there is always food
EMBALM61: I agree Rick but also depends on the family background
hrbeckham: i have tried fruit trays, cheese and meat trays...but finger sandwiches seem to go over best, with maybe a small relish platter. Coffee, soft drinks, and bottlled water
pafuneralguy: personal decisions....i respect that Ray
Host_John: bottled water at the cemetery is popular on a toasty day
hrbeckham: sometimes cookies and pastries work too
Ray_V.: To quote an old friend..."our job is to help people solve their problems regarding a death...if they are hungry...feed them.
Host_John: we are in the accomodation business
pafuneralguy: we are also non-smoking completely
Host_John: we are non smoking in the building however they do smoke outside the door
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Ray_V.: exactly, John...accomadations...perfect.
EMBALM61: Hr where South are u located?
hrbeckham: I find that more families like refreshments at a "family and Friend Gathering" rather than at the visitation
hrbeckham: Ne Fla
EMBALM61: ok ty
Host_John: can you immaging going to a birthday party with no food?
Host_John: what family gathering has no food?
RonHast: The biggest problem is claiming that food is restricted to protect the public health. It is legal in all other states, and most who provide food opportunities (NOT Meals) find it very beneficial to their business and well appreciated.
rick: I agree. a visitation is to pay respest. not dinner hour.
RonHast: The Cdc has made the statement there is no issue with public health with food being served in funeral homes, even in the same room with bodies present.
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RonHast: Rick...that is your opinion, but what about the family who is paying for your service opinions?
hrbeckham: we have had family bring in their own catering and food from home before....sometimes we are not even aware they are brining it in
Host_John: to that end Ron, if we are going to serve food, CEU courses should be out there to help us understand the perils of serving food
EMBALM61: if it isn't illegal in that particular State, I believe food should be allowed if that's what the family wishes!
hrbeckham: we try to be prepared
RonHast: What are the perils of serving food John?
Ray_V.: From a business/customer service point of view, the more reasons we can give people to come to our buildings, the better off we are. How about "celebrating a life"?
Host_John: we would love to have coffee in the morning for family funerals but not allowed, so we have it for staff only
harper: what about your local health dept.
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Host_John: Celebrating a life! I see that in the newspaper and I think is a silly statement
Ray_V.: Perls of serving food?
hrbeckham: one family just showed up for the visitstion and started to bring in trays of food into the arrangament room and started setting things up the way they wanted it
Host_John: Perils
POG70: There's a big difference between the fh serving the food versus the family/friends bringing in the food and handling the serving themselves.
Host_John: whoops Sorry Folks
RonHast: I believe you will soon John. Look for the Mortuary management that's in the mail now. Very strong information that may may the 5 restrictive states look very foolish.
propilot1982: how many fire fighters funerals do every one do and a year?
RonHast: may "make" oops
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RonHast: What does that have to do with anything propilot?
Host_John: Ron I welcome some madated education on food handleing
pafuneralguy: as a friend has recently argued on our behalf....in Pa, you may serve drinks ( non-alcohol ) ... we can serve tomatoe juice But Not tomatoe soup....pretty stupid
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POG70: Don't serve anything. Let the family serve themselves\
RonHast: Soon a knowing family will realize that a restriction stated to be to protect public health -- and may very well come with a lawsuit -- and he or she will win. The restriction cannot be defended because of health.
Host_John: U can accomodate the family if they want food
Host_John: however you should realize how long food can be left out and be healthy
pafuneralguy: serve is very ambiguous.....serve " may " mean by anyone in that building, them or you
POG70: That's the family's problem, not yours, John\
harper: For the big difference, if someone gets sick, you will be in lawsuit
Host_John: POG it is everyones problem if they get sick
RonHast: This is not rocket science. Food is served in churches and just about anywhere people gather. What is so complicated about a funeral home?????
hrbeckham: we are planning to build a multi purpose chapel at our cemetery which is a few miles away from our funeral home to include a prep kitchen and serving areas. County building code is blocking our progress to have it done this year
POG70: Nope
Ray_V.: As far as celebrating. One way to look at what we do is to facilitate people in remembering someone accurately they way they were and to say good-bye. Some call that a celebration. Some call it mourning. Your choice, but I think t's part of our job.
Host_John: you have an obligation to keep your facility safe
POG70: You can provide the facility and you can prohibit cooking....just "finger foods"\
Host_John: call your insurance company and they will tell you how obligated you are to keep your facilities safe
hrbeckham: food and funeral have always gone together in the south
pafuneralguy: Ron---it should be permitted but for now, it is not....i think Eh and his gang are making headway on this front here in Pa
RonHast: Any funeral director can forbid food if he or she wishes. How long he will be in business, if others do it and well, is very well predictible.
POG70: We have, John\
POG70: We neither prepare nor serve the food
RonHast: Eh will likely prevail with all the information he is gathering. He has excellent support.
hrbeckham: it is all the *&^%$(*(*&& regulators who want to impose rules and laws over who and how we can do it
pafuneralguy: we refuse it but a couple of small local comps let it...it has not hurt us in any way, I display a copy of the regulation and explain it ahead of time
pafuneralguy: I think highly of him in most of his efforts and he is a friend
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hrbeckham: health dept does not want us preparing food...i do not see how they can stop us from catering or bringing in food prepared at a store for us
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POG70: So, if a relative pulls out a candy bar and proceeds to eat it, we should snatch it out of his mouth and tell him No!
rick: It is mandatory that we present a price list to the family; should we include amenu also?
hrbeckham: get a fire hose and spray him down!
Ray_V.: It's part of what we do down here. If I go an a house call at 3 in the morning, there is already two plates of fried chicken brought over by neighbors when I get there
POG70: Let the family bring it in. \
pafuneralguy: I know of directors in other states that partner with a catoring service and make families very happy while making $$$
Host_John: food is a good thing
POG70: Some funera; homes in my area don't provide a facility for eating at the funeral home because they don't want to deal with the mess. Some people are real pigs.
Host_John: accomadating is what we should be
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harper: right on
hrbeckham: I went down state to a corp combo for a burial and their funeral home was set up with a reception room and three levels of reception service from light snacks to a full sit down dinner impressive
Host_John: you need good sized trash containers
POG70: So, accommodate the family's wanting to bring in food\
pafuneralguy: if you have a room or celebration center to rent a family, how much is fair to charge
Host_John: an understanding that what is left after the visitation will be discarded
hrbeckham: yes
Host_John: PAfuneralguy we cannot discuss prices here
harper: no the right on was some people are really pigs
pafuneralguy: strike that request
POG70: You need a large enough room with the appropriate furnishings, alomg with ways to accommodate multiple families at the same time
Host_John: well we are glad for the business, we all have tissues stuck in places where slobs leave them
Host_John: provide more trash containers and they collect trash
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Host_John: OPEN FORUM FUNERAL CHATTER UNTIL THE TOP OF THE HOUR
hrbeckham: figure out what is a fair price...check with local meeting rooms, Vfw halls, or other pkaces that rent out rooms for parties...then figure what your charges need to be and see if it works out econmicly for you to do it
pafuneralguy: I will have 1 center that can handle 130 seated at tables, with projection system and audio as well as webcasting ability.
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POG70: We don;t charge anything..it's a part of our funeral facilities
hrbeckham: many places are turning their casket showrooms into reception halls
harper: using computers?
pafuneralguy: yes
RonHast: Hospitality refreshments do not necessarily need a separate room (even though very nice). Many firms use a 6' chest with beverages and cookies / etc., nicely displayed. Others realize that the more they add to it, there are more options. Funeral firms do not need to "prepare" food.
hrbeckham: computers, corner and end cuts
POG70: Families around here expect the funeral home to provide some sort of facility for them to have snacks and a cup of coffee.
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RonHast: It is very easy to get support from deli's, small caterers, etc. Again, this is not a big horrid problem. It works very well. I've offered refreshments in our funeral homes for years and it is values and benefits far outweigh any perceived problems.
POG70: One funeral home is famous for its homemade chocolate chip cookies
harper: we have corner and end cuts but you still need a room to display them in
hrbeckham: does anyone have a preneed information display in a public area of your facility?
POG70: Yes.
Host_John: Ron what refreshments have you offered on a regular basis?
hrbeckham: what do you do?
rick: Yes.
hrbeckham: how is it set up?
POG70: hr, minimal results, though\
Ray_V.: We do...all over the place...subtle, but there...lobby, rest rooms, coffee lounge,
POG70: Minimal results these days in ant effort
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RonHast: Apple cider is a great item instead of coffee. No sugar, cream, decaf, etc., good for kids or anyone. We also had refrigerated machines for summer, ice cold lemonade or apple cider.
hrbeckham: do you have a sign, info cards, sign in book????
RonHast: We always had the sweedish cookes (come in tin, last a long time and have paper cup holders for 3 cookies -- so easy.
rick: On a nice long table that must be passed upon entering and exiting the bldg.
POG70: In two locations, we have a small table, with two small info card displays and a box with a slot into which interested parties can drop a filled out "interest" card from the stack on the table
RonHast: Apple cider is offered in a large coffee urn in the winter, and an iced beverage (fountain) machine in summer.
Host_John: those sweedish cookies are at sams and very tasty
RonHast: So no ice to bother with for cold drinks.
hrbeckham: brb
pafuneralguy: what about soda machines ???
POG70: hr, the cards work. In sanother location, we use a running marquee sign, urging [eople to beat inflations by prearranging now!
RonHast: The Swedish cookies (at sams) can easily be stored for instant use in the buffet, and other supplies in the same cabinet. Very easy, very nice. We used pewter plates and serving items as they look rich and don't tarnish.
POG70: {=p
POG70: If you have a cat, you don't even need to wash them
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POG70: Soda machines have long been a mainstay in fhs in my area\
harper: I understand that some Fh have a pet for comfort
POG70: harper, I've read somewhere about that.
RonHast: Forest Lawn (huge company) now has vending machines in their visitation areas. Very nice gathering area with tables, etc. Utilized all the time, and they don't restrict the food in the actual visitation rooms.
POG70: We do restrict food and drink to the room provided for that purpose.
Host_John: we don't allow food or beverage more than water in the visitation rooms
POG70: I have to hide my coffee cup under my coat to take it to the office
rick: Speaking of liability, pets would not be good in public places.
harper: no body else know about the pet for comfort
jaycofd: In New York we can't have food or beverage, only water
RonHast: Standards can certainly be made by the management. But those who do it well with latitude for comfort are the winners here -- and it is very evident -- those who do it well, and those who don't.
Host_John: we allow pets to come outside fo the visitation
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POG70: I knew a ladyundertaker, long since deadm who had a quaint funeral home, with many caged birds and with cats all over the place. She did a booming business.
RonHast: Stand by jaycofd.....soon you will see a change. It cannot be defended for any legitimate reason.
Ray_V.: We encourage people to bring dog (s) of the deceased...helps them understand the person s dead. You have to see it to believe it...it's an incredible thing.
jaycofd: Ron, Debbie Orecki is a tough nut to crack
jaycofd: She does not bend easily
RonHast: Same for New Jersey. Their mandated wall plaque denying any food "TO Protect The Public Health" can and will be challenged. We have a copy of the certificate in Mortuary Management's next issue. An easy lawsuit for someone.
brud: dogs can be so caring - and people are used to seeing them around. I was in a nursing home a couple of weeks ago and they have a black lab that roams the hallways - dog knows which residents have the bones hidden
POG70: Dogs are allowed for private visitation.....very seldom is that requested. We had one last week.
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Ray_V.: People think you are really smart when you tell them exactly what te dog will do...and then the dog cooperates and makes you look good. It's fun to watch.
POG70: The dog grieves when its owner dies. They also seem to understand, when viewing the owner's body, that he/she is dead.
Host_John: looks like the west coast had some lightning
Ray_V.: Absolutely, Pog70..
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POG70: Have had no similar experience with a cat.
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harper: I read an article about some Fh having a pet in the building for comfort for the families
harper: it was a dog
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rick: Anyone consider pet hair on clothes?
Host_John: building codes can make it difficult to add on
Ray_V.: Dogs have masters....cats have staff...that's why
RonHast: Mark Krause has a professionally trained dog that has been very well received. It wears a special "jacket" that explains it's purpose so people don't think it is just wandering.
RonHast: Krause Funeral Homes and hospitality centers, Milwaukee
mooville: your seeing this in many nursing homes also
POG70: Once, when placing a casketed body in the chapel, I discovered on the carpet the evidence of a dog having been there recently. I learned from the horrified manager that she had kept her mother's dog in her upstairs apartment for a few days. Appatently he had roamed a bit.
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Host_John: Pets are the way of our world
Ray_V.: Like they say on Sesame Street...poop happens.
POG70: Yep
NY: Hello all
Host_John: owners will stick up for them as much as they would for a child
NY: how is everyone doing tonight
EMBALM61: hi Ny
POG70: I know of more than one dog that has been euthanized and placed in the foot of its master's casket for burial.
EMBALM61: Doing good here and yourself?
harper: yes people will spend more money on their pets than their spouse, we have a pet section in our show room
RonHast: All kinds of rare stories. Horses brought to the funeral home, and sometimes in a chapel. Even a mule, not long ago, but it stayed outside.
hrbeckham: if a family want to bring a dog in, we say ok with the understanding if an accident does happen that the family will be responsible for the carpet cleaning of the effected room
NY: doing well its raining here in new york
Host_John: BRB
RonHast: Amen harper. Just had two dogs teeth cleaned: $800 for both. Wow.
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EMBALM61: we had a hail storm yesterday pm in Atl
NY: I hate when people walk into a funeral home with food and drink...........
hrbeckham: we have been debating about adding pet services/cremation
hrbeckham: room is a problem
propilot1982: hrbeckham what kind of service?
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RonHast: Pet services are an excellent addition if only offered to individual families. Branching into general pet disposal from Veterinarians can be a horrid venture.
NY: and don't bring any for me lol
POG70: Many years ago, a lady cat owner made her prearrangement at the funeral home where I worked. If she died first, the cat was to be euthanized and buried with her. If the cat died first, we were to embalm the cat and keep it until the lady died, so the two could be buried together. I changed employm
hrbeckham: we would have to use an outside pet crematory at this point
EMBALM61: p0g70.. lol
rick: Pet services is the now thing. We don't do it yet, but it' possible.
NY: New York law is no food in the funeral home
RonHast: At one preneed arrangement, the lady wanted her pet euthanized and placed in her casket. The funeral director actually said, "and what shall we do if the pet dies first?"
EMBALM61: a friend of mine is bulding a crematory for humans and pets...mmm
mactj2: we had a family call us for a copper casket for their dog...we sold a childs copper and vault
hrbeckham: I have buried several pet cremains with their masters
NY: me too
Ray_V.: me three
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RonHast: Pet cremated remains have become common to place within masters' caskets.
POG70: Dual burial has to be discreet; most cemeteries prohibit such, if they are asked
rick: Pets are the only "child" some people have.
hrbeckham: don't ask don't tell
rick: Amen pog.
RonHast: So true Pog -- so the people go underground with it and make no apologies.
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propilot1982: is there any laws about opening a fh or a cemetery for pets or a website ?
NY: nothing wrong with that
NY: Nfda
POG70: My mother's dog died years before she did. She had him cremated and place in a nice urn. I kept that urn on a shelf in my bedroom closet for years and then placed it in my mother's casket.
NY: pet funeral homes would be a great idea
rick: Would be a local question, propilot.
propilot1982: do u have too be a lfd do that?
hrbeckham: Epa and basic heath laws here, no license, though there is a Lfd that opened a pet crematory here...he advertises that that he is a lfd
NY: how many pall bearers would you need
NY: bring them into church for a mass
RonHast: Pet funeral homes might take a long time to earn a profit. At least that's what some report. But can do well in conjunction with a funeral home, and they keep the activity separate.
rick: Depending on the size of the pet.
mactj2: "pawsbearer"
hrbeckham: agreed Ron
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NY: lol
POG70: No licensing requirements that I know of for a pet fh or cemetery. Even pet crematories are beneath the radar in many places
NY: i only know of a pet crematory in westchester Ny
harper: We had a call to go to a residence remove the dog take it to the Fh the family came in the nest day, purchased a nice urn, and had to have it delivered back to residence the next day, so we charged for everything and they payed us on the spot
RonHast: General pet disposal is highly competitive and very difficult (unpleasant) work.
POG70: We have three in my area\
jaycofd: there is on in Syracuse, Ny
jaycofd: it is on Onondaga hill
RonHast: Most dispositions are at the community dump prior to regular hours. I am aware of a few accordingly.
POG70: Working with veterinarians is key
NY: have calling hours
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NY: for the wake
rick: Cheaper that way. (at the dump)
hrbeckham: some say they do individual cremations, but I wonder if that is true
POG70: Calling hours, even embalming
NY: sure why not
Host_John: BACK ON TOPIC NOW, FOOD IN THE FUNERAL HOME / MORTUARY
POG70: Some do either, charge more for single
Ray_V.: My guess is, that from the number of pet calls we get at the cremation society (that we refer to a pet service) that there could be some profit in it. Most people I know who do both said they would sell the funeral home and keep the pet business in a heartbeat.
hrbeckham: where would you embalm a pet?
POG70: Don't ask, hr
NY: more people are going for cremation anyway
RonHast: Funeral homes that resist food should look more closely now -- it is the tradition in most places, not the alternative. Those that don't want to "bother" might find that more and more clients don't
RonHast: don't "bother" to cal them
EMBALM61: goodnight Funeral director's
hrbeckham: good night Embalm
Host_John: I like how spirits are higher when there is food at the visitation
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hrbeckham: yes
NY: thats why we have a break during reposing hours 2-4 and 7-10 go during 5-6 and eat and drink
POG70: Once a fh in a community alloes food, the others soon folloow because some families will choose a funeral home depending upon whether they can eat there
NY: people walk in with coffiee
RonHast: Isn't it odd that when a funeral service family member dies, the food is provided big time. I saw it in Ny where it is illegal. If it is good enough for us, why not for those we are privileged to serve?
hrbeckham: after all we are here to serve the family's needs...not ours
NY: Yes It Is
hrbeckham: we need to find ways to accomidate them, to help them, to be of service to them
NY: No Food In The Funeral Home
RonHast: Correct Pog
POG70: Families do appreciate the provision of a means to have food in the funeral home.
Host_John: offering bottled water to family during a busy visitaiton is a nice practice
NY: we have water
hrbeckham: too many onld thinking funeral home owners want to do it their way
POG70: Water is a welcome item\
Host_John: there is a bit of laziness in our business
jaycofd: There is alot of that John
hrbeckham: lack of forward thinking
NY: water is not a problem
Host_John: embrace the future it is where we are all going
jaycofd: We have forgot what service is
RonHast: It's a bit disgusting when such an issue is so simple to resolve....but it seems those who have laws prohibiting it want to keep it that way so they don't have to "bother" with it.
Ray_V.: We have water coolers around the building, including the visitation rooms....see y'all next week....funeral service is 150 years of tradition, unaffected by progress.
POG70: Most families are considerate in the handling of the food/drink; some are sloppy...\
NY: yeah
Host_John: In court houses food is not allowed
Host_John: so it is a time to go easy
RonHast: That's why if food is anticipated, and provided for, and not just tolerated -- it works very well.
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NY: you are at a funeral home to morn the loss
RonHast: ..and share grief with friends and family. Food is part of it.
Host_John: NY you can eat in the emergency room
Host_John: food helps heal
jaycofd: Food has been a part of our culture for years
NY: its different
POG70: One fd told me of a family frying fish in his lounge/ Sgtunk up the whole place
RonHast: Sorry Ny, just can't agree.
jaycofd: it has been a cornerstone to many activities and celebrations
NY: what about bugs ants
NY: flys
POG70: Stunk, I mean
hrbeckham: one funeral home had a residence next door to the funeral home. When the owner died, the son turned it into a reception center. works out great he says. no problem with law or zoning. seperate building
RonHast: Ny...maybe you would be happier working in a different service?
jaycofd: Hr, I have heard of a Fh in Rochester, Ny that did that
NY: i am fine were i work in Ny but food has no place at a funeral home
hrbeckham: I do not think a fish fry would be acceptable...no cooking at the facility
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POG70: Cleanliness takes care of concerns about bugs
jaycofd: a fish fry is a bit much
RonHast: I went to a Fd's funeral in Ny, and in the same building there was food everywhere. It was well appreciated.
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hrbeckham: rent them a tent out in the parking lot if they want to cook
Host_John: we have to bring some onion rings in NY"s place LOL
POG70: He stopped inhouse cooking... took out the microwave
NY: you loose way your there
jaycofd: Good thing Debbie did not know it Ron, she would have had a field day on them
NY: we still have the prof morners
RonHast: jayco, I'd agree. That's why it isn't smart to just leave all desires open without any careful leadership at time of arrangements.
Host_John: NY so you do not allow food in when the family wants to bring it?
hrbeckham: but I would beware of the "travelers" or some ethinic groups that want to set up at the funeral home for days for a wake and service
NY: New York Law saids No Food
cnmmnc: Nj either
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Host_John: yes like baked lama!
NY: eat at home
RonHast: There are 5 contiguous states that prohibit it. Now isn't that odd?
hrbeckham: some groups have been known to trash a funeral home
RonHast: 45 states have no restrictions.
NY: eat in the parking lot i don't car
POG70: Does the "no food" law apply to just the fh serving the food? Or to any food, period\
cnmmnc: it was an old rule from 70 years ago
jaycofd: Pa, does not allow it, but will alow non-alcoholic beverages
Host_John: well it works well here
jaycofd: no food period in Ny
RonHast: No food to be consumed in the funeral home, and cannot be extended into the funeral home from the internal residence.
NY: well maybe new york will change sometime
Host_John: many visitatoins are from 2-5 & 6-8 and family has food at 5 in the funeral home
cnmmnc: no food or beverages in Nj
RonHast: So ridiculous.
POG70: All those nasty germs lurking in the funeral home, I guess
NY: Why so I have to clean up after these people
jaycofd: It makes another area for enforcement and fines
Host_John: when there is a law you may not have insurance if you break the law
hrbeckham: long week ahead...time to sign off....good discussion tonight God bless you all Pray for America! Good Night!
Host_John: Night Howard, God bless our troops
jaycofd: nite, Hr
RonHast: Ny. Stand by! Someone will take on the rule and win. There is nothing to support a restriction but to eliminate competition with someone who is willing to provide it.
NY: thats why you have the break during reposing hours
hrbeckham: Amen John
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POG70: Open a bar and grill next door
NY: what next Happy Hour
Host_John: with family members living all over many appreciate the time to sit int he funeralhome eat and recharge
POG70: Wine tasting at the visitation
RonHast: Anyone want to make some money? Sue a funeral home that restricts food because of public health. You'll have lots of information to win the case.
NY: food has no place in the funeral home
cnmmnc: dont get me wrong, i'm glad i dont have to clean up beer cans and chicken bones after a viewing...
RonHast: On what basis Ny?
NY: we let a family have coffiee and donnuts and made a friken mess
NY: and it was in another room
RonHast: Sorry Ny, not a valid excuse.
NY: Thats why you have the breal
RonHast: In the opinion of 45 states that allow it.
NY: break eat then
NY: eat at home
Host_John: NY you need to visit a funeral home that handles food
RonHast: When you visit a friend, to they call a break so you can go out somewhere and have coffee or whatever? Nonsense.
Host_John: if you dont' put out a trash container where will it go?
NY: you have enough to worry about then someone spilling %%%% all over
Host_John: it is so much easier than you are making it
cnmmnc: we send the family dinner courtesy of the funeral home, does anyone else?
RonHast: Go visit Krause's places. You wlll be impressed. He has even licensed all of them as restaurants and bars, and can sell liquor. Not to say I would, but there should be no reason to restrict it if it is well managed.
RonHast: The key here is careful management. That controls the "mess" some talk about it.
NY: the place were my grandmother died did that sent it to my dads house
NY: it was nice
RonHast: Thanks for the chat. Time's up for me. R.
NY: then the funeral we had coff and rolls in the limos
Host_John: Night ROn
Host_John: good to see you
jaycofd: night Ron
NY: hwen we came out of church
RonHast: :-)
cnmmnc: I try to ask them if they'll be home between 4 pm and 6 pm and the food is delivered then
NY: thast right
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Host_John: we do have a problem with cigaretts buts and tissues in the same receptical
NY:
NY: see
Host_John: people don't think tissue will catch fire
NY: lol
NY: cremation
NY: Bam
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Host_John: you have to be alert and on the roam during visitations and funerals
NY: smoke outside
POG70: No inside smoking in tennessee
POG70: Chewing, however, .......
NY: No Smoking no food no drinking no sex
Host_John: they do smoke outside
POG70: New York is really a dull place
cnmmnc: people used to send food over to the family's house after a death, you know tuna casserole and such, but now...so we just do it as a courtesy
Host_John: the cigarette recepticals get to smoking on their own
Host_John: a coffee cup filled with water will take care of it
POG70: The good ol'oys then see if they can put out the fire using the receptacle as an urinal
NY: i found a couple going at it in one of my empty chapels during a very busy night
Host_John: not seeing that here LOL
cnmmnc: yeah, those narrow long receptacles can cause fire
POG70: Before leaving, hose everything down
cnmmnc: I leave them outside but still
NY: no i had to have the chair cleaned
POG70: yuck
NY: lol
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Host_John: NY please don't send sounds
Host_John: Thanks
NY: lol
cnmmnc: I forget theyre on here
POG70: My wife hollered in here, "what in the world was that?"
Host_John: well folks we are almost done here
Host_John: any concluding thoughts on food?
NY: go to Nj its worse
POG70: Food is good
Host_John: Food is tasty
cnmmnc: yeah Nj there's nothing at all
NY: No Food in the funeral home
POG70: Food is filling\
NY: so is sex
NY: lol
cnmmnc: I dont plan to protest the rule
POG70: sex is filling?
NY: i do
NY: furfilling
NY: sorry lol
POG70: nite all
NY: so whats up chris
Host_John: OPEN FORUM FUNERAL CHATTER UNTIL NEXT TIME
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