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SUNDAY AUGUST 3, 2008

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Host_John: Hello everyone
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VicS: good evening friends
Host_John: Hello Vic
Host_John: how are things out on the West Coast Vic?
VicS: Very Nice in San Diego
VicS: Having problems trying to get a building still
Host_John: town boards can be an obstruction
VicS: I had a perfect place and went through planning dept, structural engineers, etc., and then the owner wrote a lousy lease
Host_John: disapointment
VicS: My attorney insisted not signing the lease so I had to let it go. So, starting over
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Host_John: you get all the work done and owner changes mind
Host_John: Hello Christy
christy72034: hi
Host_John: so we get the lease paperwork done 1st if you can
VicS: Like you said, don't look back, but it is tempting
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Host_John: if you look back too much you will smash into something
VicS: Well, I had two job offers last week, but, I really want to open my own
Host_John: it is frrustrating but you know how successful you have been
Host_John: you have a rock solid foundation of success
VicS: I am getting impatient to make some money. Lol
Host_John: you will always be able to find a job, but ownership is better
Host_John: OK
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Host_John: Imported products
VicS: I get alot of encouragment from peers
Host_John: I notice few caskets and urns are marked where they came from
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Host_John: I wonder how many american companies are putting imports in their inventory and not telling us
Host_John: we have tried to mark some of our caskets made in USA
darrwing: hello all
Host_John: it does help
Host_John: hellow Darr
darrwing: first time here
RonHast: John: 94% of furniture said to come from the Carolinas, the furniture capitol of the world, are made in China with their brand name on it!!!
Host_John: if choosing clients know it can make a difference to buy american made
Host_John: Ron I believe you
RonHast: John....i disagree. What about the underwear they wear. or their Sony Tv????
Host_John: however once the factorys are gone all those jobs are gone forever
RonHast: Lets not get emotional about this. The computer you are typing on is made overseas. What's so different about a casket that you bury in the ground?
Host_John: You only buy a few caskets in your life time
Host_John: you go to the grocery store
Host_John: you can get tomatoes grown in USA or South America
Host_John: labeled properly I will buy american
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Host_John: I may not be as smart as you but I will buy american when I can
hrbeckham: Good Evening All
Host_John: Hello Howard
Host_John: A casket is a casket
Host_John: nothing wrong with labeling it made in USA
RonHast: John: You can't be that choosy. Things you think are american, just like furniture, are actually made in China.
Host_John: Made in China
Host_John: I look for where it is made
Host_John: as I said I am a minority but I do look for american products
hrbeckham: many folks in North Carolina who used to work in the furnature business are looking or have found other jobs
RonHast: Sorry, John, I would think you have more issues of concern than your support for American made. Toyota, Lexus, Sony, c'mon.
RonHast: They have all exceeded the quality and price of their competition.
Host_John: I don't buy those brands
Host_John: a car is a car
darrwing: where is everyone from?
Host_John: a tv is a tv
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Host_John: quality of product
RonHast: John: You don't know where most of your American brands are actually made. Why is this so important to you?
Host_John: I see chinese caskets that cut the professionals casketing the deceased
RonHast: Quality of product? Have you ever owned a Lexus, or a Honda?
VicS: Perhaps many of the componets of American products are made overseas
hrbeckham: part of todays economic problem revolve aroud the trade deficet
brudd: I've seen fingers get cut carrying caskets made here in the good old U.s. of A.
RonHast: Batesville -- quietly buy parts and handles from China. How do you acccount for that?
hrbeckham: many componets Are made in China or India
VicS: It's change, and we funeral directors historically are slow to change.
Host_John: Ron I do what I can to buy caskets and urns made in the USA
brudd: My uncle "had" to have a Ford truck because it was an American name (though it was made in Brazil), and wouldn't buy the Volvo truck because it was a foreign name (though it was made in Tennessee).
RonHast: Of course there are lower standards for price for some products. But don't discount the quality that comes from another country. Every one of you, look at the lables in your underwear that touches your body!! Are you worried that it doesn't come from folks in America?
Host_John: keeping my neighbor employed
Host_John: you would be surprised how many will not buy batesvilles because they closed their plant in Nashua NH
RonHast: Look at the ladies who must have an Italian made handbag. C'mon you folks -- lets take on more important issues in death care than this kind of stuff.
VicS: We all have choices, and make choices based on our own opinions
RonHast: You are right Vic.
Host_John: Ron where will you have americans find jobs?
brudd: if our governments would make America a little more business friendly, perhaps they wouldn't take their manufacturing off shore
hrbeckham: I try to buy American for myself but it is not easy. Almost all my clothing is inported...you just do not find much that is made in the Usa in some product lines
Host_John: I cannot find plastics made in the USA
RonHast: John: I appreciate and admire your concerns. But don't compromise your business to take on the world for sensitivities. We all need to raise ourselves above that if we are going to serve today's clientele.
Host_John: so when the Nazi's come for the Jews it's ok?
hrbeckham: The Fair Tax would help keep more jobs in the Us
Host_John: bad enought almost all of our fule is imported
VicS: What's wrong with offering Chinese caskets and then offering similar American products choices for at a higher cost should there be someone that only buys american?
hrbeckham: Congress is another part of the problwm, too bogged down in party politics to reall do something to help the country
RonHast: Some of us think we are making a difference buying what is made in Usa. But let's be realistic. Competition forces the best to the top. Again, Think Sony, Toyota, Lexus, Acura, and many other items that save our lives in the medical field. Let us not be pompous about our support.
Host_John: Vic it is knowing where the casket was made that is my issue
Host_John: I ask the seller
Host_John: where was it made?
hrbeckham: Need national term limits on the House & Senate
brudd: amen hrbeck
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Host_John: little if any manufacturing information is inside the casket
VicS: I think we can give our customer choices of Chinese or American. The Chinese look alike would just cost them less.
brudd: Most of today's gov't forgot what this country was founded on
hrbeckham: Nothing wrong with competention Ron, The best does get pushed to the top
RonHast: John: I would hope you would look at this from the consumer's point of view. It was proven in No. Carolina that all the people losing their jobs in the furniture bought Chinese caskets because of value and price. C'mon.
Host_John: Vic all I am suggesting is to know where your caskets are made
VicS: We need to be competitive. Many Chinese products are very good quality
VicS: I agree that we should know where they are made. Generally, the wholesale price indicated that.
vpbcab: Who distributes inexpensive chinese caskets?
RonHast: John: Tell us: Why is it important to know where everything is made?
Host_John: Vic which Chinese caskets are hight quality?
Host_John: I have not seen one
VicS: Can I give the name?
Host_John: Sure
VicS: I feel that Sinosource has quality chinese caskets
vpbcab: Whose is there distributor?
Host_John: Not seen one of those in Mass
RonHast: John: You have obviously not seen the actual product of the Chinese. I have. You couldn't tell the difference from a Batesville Primrose.
VicS: They show at Nfda and many state conventions
Host_John: having talked to casket makers, those on the line making them
Host_John: I feel it is important to keep americans makeing things
hrbeckham: I have only seen 2 come in the door in 3 years. Low end 20g no gasket models. Others I seen at conventions look good but so far I can sti;ll buy American for about the same money 1 and 2 at time
VicS: I agree there are some lousy Chinese casket manufacturers as well as lousy American manufacturers
Host_John: we don't bury any chinese people
RonHast: In China, $385 plus shipping ( and believe me, you couldn't see a difference after careful comparison). Plus $100 shipping to U.s.a.
Host_John: we bury americans
Host_John: Ron we do not see these savings on the east coast
RonHast: What in the world does it matter, John, that you don't bury Chinese people? What about the underwear you are wearing? Would you take it off because it was made in China?
VicS: John, I think you will see the savings comming.
Host_John: jobbers, slap a sticker on them and price them as they prices their american product
hrbeckham: Funny, the few Chinese families I have served wand solid wood, American Made
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Host_John: As I said Ron, I have met people who assemble caskets and they tell me they need their jobs
Host_John: I have not met any chinese assemblers
VicS: Sinosource makes both wood and metal caskets. 20 ga. steel to stainless steel.
RonHast: hrbececkam: C'mon. Maybe they were American made. But believe me, that wasn't the reason they bought it.
Host_John: Not see any
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Host_John: Ill look for their ads in the magazine Vic
RonHast: John: Are you in the Job security business? Or are you trying to bring the best quality of service and merchandise to your clientele?
hrbeckham: almost all of our urns are imports, even from the American casket companies
VicS: Look at their products when you come to the California Funeral Directors Convention in May. Lol
Host_John: Ron I am very proud of what we do here in Lovely Lowell
RonHast: About all urns are not made in America. Do now what?
Host_John: the imported products I have seen so far are a disapointment
hrbeckham: will the American companies start having theirf caskets made overseas?
Host_John: the Imports I saw in California were a disapointment
RonHast: Then, John, many say -- if it isn't broke, don't fix it.

RonHast: I believe some of our contemporaries need to look beyond their 12 mile range of service, and realize change is upon us. Move to adjust. Move to realize the values those we are privileged to serve really care about.
Tom: Welcome back John
hrbeckham: Ne Fla/ 52/ Male Lfd-embalmer
Host_John: http://www.funeralserviceprofessional.com/Funeral_Professional_Wages.html
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Host_John: try there Darr
RonHast: It's not our business to drive funeral service. It is our business to support the needs and comfort of those we serve.
Tom: You from Ontario, California or you talking about Canada darrwing
darrwing: ontario canada
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RonHast: If those we serve don't care where their underwear is made, and don't care about where the casket is made -- then we should respect that. It is not Our perrogative.
hrbeckham: brb
mgibbons: Except you should not be providing bad merchandise
mgibbons: or saying it is american made and then selling chinese
Host_John: I got booted somhow
Host_John: must have clicked something wrong here
mgibbons: just because it is cheaper
VicS: John, it is your american made computer why you got booted Lol
Host_John: Nope assembled in China
Host_John: Ill have a look later but I am confident it came from China
brudd: families don't choose a funeral home at the time of need because of what brand casket they sell, they choose based on their beliefs of how they will be served. Take a survey of people leaving a funeral and many, if not most, of them won't be able to even tell you anything about the casket they just
Host_John: Ron same question
Host_John: Where do you think Americans should work?
VicS: Amercans should be employed to sell Chinese products.
RonHast: Mgibbons: Who declared imported merchandese is bad? We bury caskets of 20 gauge as "tin cans". A cadillac is made with 22 gauge (thinner) and we use it 10 years at 80 mph against another car 10 feet away going the opposite direction. Let's Get Real!
Host_John: Vic the economics are we cannot affored to continue to import everything
mgibbons: Im not saying it is all bad, but some of it is
VicS: I agree John. I feel we need to offer the options to our customers. Let them decide what they want to buy
RonHast: John: Maybe you should get a government job and campaign for the safety of all workers! You know how much I respect you John, but you can't take on the world and worry about origin of caskets. Please believe men'
VicS: Some families will spend the extra for a primrose casket made in america and some will appreciate paying less for a primrose from china.
mgibbons: But are you shifting those savings to the family or are you still selling it for the same price
burnem78: or you could sell both primroses at the same price and make more of a profit???
VicS: mgibbons, you touch on an important point. The quality Fd should pass on those savings to the family.
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RonHast: The best test was in No. Carolina. With great worry, the Fd put Chinese caskets on the floor about 40% less than American. Never Once was there a concern from a family, and their choice was Chinese!!! Now the majority of his offerings are Chinese!! So...........
burnem78: however, how many have both primroses in the same room??
Host_John: LETS TALK ABOUT urns
VicS: Here is another point. Will the imports help kieep the American Mfg's hold their wholesale prices?
Host_John: Where are your urns made
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Host_John: NONE I mean none have place of manufacture on them
fluidpusher: I have a Chinese urn. It is my most popular one, at a great price.
mgibbons: People are not stupid they read the papers, I have had families ask me what casket company I use or what vaults company I use
Host_John: BY THE WAY, WE ARE IN OPEN FORUM UNTIL THE TOP OF THE HOUR, SO YOU CAN BRING UP ANY TOPIC AT THIS TIME.
RonHast: Even if the Fd is selling Chinese at the same price, again, why the big issue? Because it is made in a foreign country, good or bad, nice or not, if it meets the comfort of the client family -- what in the world is the issue of our feelings, and is it our perrogative to put this issue into the mat
VicS: I know if I buy a urn from Sinosource it is made in china. I also can be confident .of quality
Host_John: We have many metal urns from India
burnem78: I have several of their urns too Vic.
brudd: but John, what about the metal-smith in America that would like to make urns
Host_John: they are beautiful and marked as made in India
fluidpusher: People buy on appearance and reasonable price. They will spend the money if they see value. But the vast majority do not care where it is made.
burnem78: Im yet to see a true cloisonnne urn made in Usa
VicS: True burnem
Host_John: Have not see any like thses brudd
RonHast: What is the difference between India, China, or Mexico. Because Batesville has a factory in Mexico, does that make them Immune????????????
brudd: Batesville has Canadian suppliers too I believe
Host_John: I am suggesting you ask where products come from and make an informed decision
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burnem78: I have heard that Bville is looking to have manufacturing done in china
brudd: it used to benefit the casket suppliers to buy Canadian because of the exchange difference on the dollar
Host_John: if you want to sell product from anyplace but the USA go ahead
Host_John: just asking that you KNOW where your products come from
mgibbons: I personally check out everything I sell to my families if Im not happy with it I won't sell it
RonHast: John: What is the matter about where they come from? Do you go up to the Costco counter and ask that question about everything you buy?
Host_John: I read the box carefully Ron
mgibbons: Can anyone tell me there isn't a difference between the chinese caksets and Us caskets
RonHast: And do you put the item down if it doesn't say made in Usa?
Host_John: the Amercan caskets were assembled by Americans
mgibbons: Personally Im going to support Us Jobs anyway I can
Host_John: the Chinese caskets were assembled by children in china
VicS: have to leave for 30 minutes. Will be back.
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Host_John: Ok we will B here
RonHast: Go for it folks. Whatever blows wind up your skirt. My thinking relates to the feelings of those we serve. Not our comfort zone.
Host_John: Children making caskets is OK Ron?
burnem78: supporting Us jobs is right!! If I have to sell foreign products for Me to have a job, so be it!!!
brudd: do we know that children are the ones manufacturing?
Host_John: You got to do what you got to do
Host_John: but do you know where your product is made?
hrbeckham: well one thing is for sure...this industry is changinging in every way. And if we do not learn to change and adapt and change again...not just serving our families needs, but anticipating teir needs and adapting to their request...we may find ourselves all working for someone else
mgibbons: How much are you really saving by selling chinese?
burnem78: in some cases mg, 50 Percent!!!
mgibbons: Do we have owners here stating their opinions or employees? Im just curoics
mgibbons: curois
RonHast: C'mon folks. Lets forget about death care products, and take on the world of insensitivies. We need to worry about much more important issues, rather than products. And that is the kind of service that is comforting, fair and kind to those we are privileged to serve.
mgibbons: curious
hrbeckham: so far we have not seen anyone making us an offering with any significent savings here
Host_John: what other issues would you suggest Ron,
Host_John: Still waiting for your answer on children making caskets!
fluidpusher: how do you know it is children making caskets???
RonHast: First, not taking for granted what those we serve will buy. We need to ask the question: What can we do to serve you!! Our agenda is not as important as their needs.
mgibbons: burn are you passing those savings onto the family
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Host_John: at what point do you roll out those options ROn
RonHast: Children making caskets??????? What about Children makind condoms!! What is the issue here?
Host_John: Back on topic in 60 seconds
burnem78: Yes, I dont have to sell the product for as much and still make good profit
RonHast: We can't control the world of abuse. We must concentrate on serving those who are experiencing a death!! Let's be realistic here !!!
fluidpusher: If a family wants a chinese casket, I'll sell it to them
hrbeckham: do not use the other product Ron
brudd: Ron - that was a "3-pointer" for sure
Host_John: we dont have to patronize those who abuse children

Host_John: we dont have to patronize those who abuse children
RonHast: hrb: What do you mean?
whitesfh: you did well ronald of the north
mgibbons: Ron I don't think anyone is ignoring the families needs
Host_John: BACK ON TOPIC NOW
Host_John: IMPORTED PRODUCTS
hrbeckham: when you get down to it..most folks do not care if slave labor and people are poisioned by the lead and acid in the enviroment...they just want to save a buck
RonHast: Thanks R of the South. I think most Fd's do a great job. But c'mon. Lets focus on the comforts and needs of those we are privileged to serve!

mgibbons: Ok John back on topic which is
RonHast: And don't restrict families from savings of caskets because of where they are made. If they meet a need, and are available, and are honest, --let them choose.
fluidpusher: Pound on that keyboard any harder, John, and you'll need a new imported computer
Host_John: I notice some caskets coming in are smaller shell than they once were
Host_John: American are getting bigger
RonHast: Let us not dwell on what We will provide because of Our personal feelings about where they are made!!
Host_John: I have a Mac Fluid, it lasts a very long time
hrbeckham: Imported caskets are still a non issue here in our market...i predict that the Corps will be the first to bring them into this market and sell them at American prices as long as they can
burnem78: the chinese I get here are Bigger here
fluidpusher: ha ha, John, okay
fluidpusher: same here in my area, hrb
Host_John: shipping costs are scaling up the price
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mgibbons: hrb where is your area?
Host_John: but I do see the smaller shell
mgibbons: Has anyone seen the European caskets
Host_John: has anyone else noticed a smaller shell
hrbeckham: We are in a major east coast port, so I am suprised they are not here
Host_John: Yes I have seen some from IReland
Host_John: handles are not designed to hold the casket when full
hrbeckham: got to run...good night all...god bless...pray for America!
Host_John: the smaller shelled caskets come from canada and are trucked down
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Host_John: Night Howard
mgibbons: Have you seen Irish caskets made for Ireland or European caskets designed for sale here
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RonHast: John: It appears you are looking for negatives. You may find that your worries are unfounded.
Host_John: I see Italian caskets at convention same thing you cannot use the handles for carrying it
mgibbons: I would agree
Host_John: Ron it's a fact
mgibbons: My experience with the Chinese casket isn;t the outside but the inside
Host_John: you cannot carry a casket with just 4 handles
mgibbons: The pillows are not as full
Host_John: you need 6 handles
burnem78: the pillows are not as Big
Host_John: and an end handle to pull it out of the hease
Host_John: hears
Host_John: hears
RonHast: John: Maybe I'm lost, but the first and foremost issue in our work is to be comforting and supportive of those who have a loss. Products are not a funeral. Kindness and support are.
Host_John: Hearse
mgibbons: which makes it difficult to lay people out
brudd: built - sold - and delivered caskets for 24 years. There are some American manufacturers that had smaller shells too.
Host_John: it is Ron but that is not tonights topic
fluidpusher: Lots of so called American caskets do not have end handles
mgibbons: Ron that is not the topic we are talking about imported merchandise
Host_John: we discussed that in the last segment in open forum
RonHast: John: Let's not lose track of what we are doing because of product orientation.
mgibbons: I feel the chinese sales reps only real sell is the price
Host_John: we need products that will work nicely
mgibbons: they don;t seem to work for the business
mgibbons: M family has 4 locations and they have sold to 2 of them and just expect to get business from the others locations
Host_John: we have had urns that don't fit all of the cremated remains
mgibbons: where my other sales reps will do anything I need
fluidpusher: I just don't think people really care where the casket is made. If you tell them one is from China and one is Amreican, many will choose the American one, but they don't specifically think about the pillow size, handles, etc. If it looks okay, and it is reasonably priced, they will buy it. As lon
Host_John: now we ask what is the volume of this urn
RonHast: John: Have you ever had an urn, sold by americans, imported from somewhere else, that doesn't hold the cremated remains?
whitesfh: Forest Lawn in the Los Angeles area show a Chinese high p;olished wood casket with a beautiful stained glass on the top of the casket.
Host_John: Yes we have, it was embarrising to find out
Host_John: we learned that hard way on this issue
Host_John: never thought a manufacurer would knowingly sell a product that would not do the job
mgibbons: How do you know it is chinese
whitesfh: Agree pusher.
RonHast: So, you are concluding that there is no security in buying American -- just a shot in the sky?
Tom: Manufacturers will sell us any products we are willing to pay for
Host_John: I don't know where it came from, all I can tell you is now we ask what is volume of this urn
RonHast: Smart move.
mgibbons: Because I know a casket company in Ca that does the stainglass caskets but they make them in America
fluidpusher: What is the minimum volume acceptable, 300 cu in?
Host_John: if you don't know fill it with water, and pour water into empty plastic urn
Host_John: this will help you know what that urn will fit
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Host_John: we can't test wooden urns
Host_John: they leak
fluidpusher: Do it with sand in the wood ones
burnem78: use a plastic bag inside first
brudd: Why is it the manufacturers fault? . . . never thought a manufacurer would knowingly sell a product that would not do the job . . .
Host_John: Ohhhh good one fluid
whitesfh: We had an 85 lbs male returned in two urns. It was a Batesville "cremation" unit, ie: Brighton or Taylor...ultimately found out the cremator was a new-hire rookie that didn't know a wood-type casket needs to burn longer than a cardboard box.
RonHast: In general, I think it shows here that we are concerned about issues that may not be of concern to those we serve. We need to know volume for urns, caskets for comparison, but our issue here is Chinese, foreign vs. American made. Have we come to any conclusion about this matter?
Host_John: I just assumed manufacture would tool up to make a product that would have the volume necessary
Host_John: I was very wrong
RonHast: It is my understanding that urns should accommodat 200 cubic inches to meet most needs.
RonHast: accommodate....
mgibbons: it seems like this conversation is going off topic and going nowhere
Host_John: just suggesting you get the volume of the urn before you buy
RonHast: And it depends on processing. Some pulverize, some crush. Makes a difference in urn capacity.
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fluidpusher: agree, mg, there will always be those who use foreign products, and those who don't, and their minds won't be changed very easily
burnem78: ooh, this oughta get good here now!!
Host_John: we mostly have pulverized
fluidpusher: ha ha
whitesfh: Great Old story. A Fd friend had a chance to buy a dozen urns at a great "by the dozen" per unit price. I took three, the first one was insufficient to hold the cremains, called the wife to advise she needed to select another urn - At No Additional Charge - she replied, "I was wondering if it woul
brudd: was just thinking that myself burn
RonHast: Again, think Sony, Lexus, Acura, and every underwear label you can find. Will we reject because of this?
Host_John: just suggesting you ask where it was made
RonHast: So we ask? Then what?
Host_John: I prefer american assembled caskets
Host_John: I don't buy it
burnem78: Ron, than why dont you pick a %%%% subject!
fluidpusher: This all started with the auto manufacturers. Back in the 70's they were making junk, and Honda and Toyota were tooling up and getting ready to take over
whitesfh: I liked your condom question Ron!! Maybe the Chinese will get into Ed Rx and name it See All Us.
RonHast: That's your privilege. But if you hold others back and away, is that fair service to those you are privileged to serve?
Host_John: our caskets are sold at a lower price than we can find elsewhere
Host_John: caskets start at 268
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brudd: and that's your choice John to sell at a price you want to
RonHast: burnem? Don't understand your question..
funeralethics.org: Is that a cloth-covered, John, or what?
Host_John: I will not respond to you Lisa
brudd: can you even buy a cloth-covered for that price now-a-days?
whitesfh: John, as I understood years ago, No $ during our chats!!!
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Host_John: Yes that is still the rule Ron
Host_John: thanks
RonHast: Major changes in funeral pricing. Many are pricing caskets as incidental, and charging for the facilities and service to conduct and provide this service. So the casket, or no casket, is incidenta.
Host_John: that is the practice we have here ROn
Host_John: and we choose to buy american assembeled if possible
funeralethics.org: Sorry for asking, John. I was going to compliment you.
brudd: And I still stand by my earlier statement --- Families don't choose a funeral home because of the brand of casket. They choose based on the perceived belief of how they will be served at their time of need.
whitesfh: Is that Lisa or Josh?
Host_John: we have 6 more minutes on this topic
Host_John: I agree Brudd but the topic was suggested
funeralethics.org: Lisa
Host_John: the suggester was correct
Host_John: most do not know where their products are assembled
whitesfh: Thanks Lisa, glad to know you still live.
RonHast: Then what is the issue her?
RonHast: here?
Host_John: topic suggester said most don't know where their products are made
RonHast: It would be impossible to know where even american labled products are made. Batesville caskets and others have many parts made elsewhere. So what?????
Host_John: he suggested manufacturers are poised to slip foreign assembled product into the line as regular product with no price break
Host_John: that is why I continue to use Assembled
brudd: does Aurora mark their Canadian made caskets as such?
Host_John: american assembled
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funeralethics.org: That's true with cars. Our Dodge pick-up had a Japanese motor.
Host_John: years ago I did see this casket was proudly make in Canada
Host_John: dont' see that sign any more
RonHast: Aurora, Batesville and others import caskets from Canada (wood) and handles and parts from China -- and are all a part of those said to be made in America. Again, So What?
brudd: you might see it stamped, or painted, on the bottom of the casket as being from Canada
RonHast: I truly wish that, even tho this subject is worthy of chat, our emphasis would be more on meeting the needs and desires of those we serve, rather than what We Want to provide.
whitesfh: An Nfda staff person stated Batesville was upset with Nfda's symposium in China and, purportedly via the staff person, Batesville has some involvement in manufacturing in China; just a smidgeon past the Nafta geographics!!
Host_John: we see the bottoms and interiors but there is no place af assembly stamped anywhere
Host_John: OPEN FORUM FUNERAL CHATTER UNTIL NEXT TIME